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COVID-19 is also a thrombotic disorder. This has been known since the relatively early days of the pandemic. Have any of you been paying any attention at all?

ImaCake 4y ago
We know, but it’s not like there is much of a choice here. We are all going to be exposed to covid no matter what we do.
- lamontcg 4y ago
  Well doing your best not to catch it before there was a vaccine and then getting vaccinated will best improve your chances. But I was more referring to everyone in this thread speculating about obesity, vaccines and everything other than the novel pandemic virus with the thrombotic complications that swept the globe that just MIGHT have something to do with the rise in heart attacks. Which was pretty much predicted by anyone paying attention back in summer of 2020. And probably why people who recover from COVID have a higher mortality rate 18 months after infection: https://www.nursinginpractice.com/clinical/dermatology/covid-19-patients-have-higher-mortality-rate-18-months-after-infection/ https://www.nursinginpractice.com/clinical/dermatology/covid...
  - ImaCake 4y ago
    Oh yeah. I agree with this. I am just frustrated by people saying we still need to keep avoiding COVID when the cost is much higher to continue doing so.
mise_en_place 4y ago
Sitting on your ass all day in front of a screen will also cause thrombotic disorders.
mancerayder 4y ago
The overwhelming majority of us have gotten covid, though. But only some are suffering from the thrombatic disorder. Have you thought about that at all?
- Timon3 4y ago
  Many have gotten COVID, but not everyone got significantly, sick. Many have gotten the flu, yet only very few of us have died to it. Most of us survived all the various illnesses we have as children, but not all of us were so lucky. What are you trying to imply? Is it really such a strange thought to you that not everyone will have the same symptoms, and not everyone will have similar kinds of damages?
  - lamontcg 4y ago
    Yep, a frighteningly large chunk of the population thinks that their experiences generalizes to literally the entire rest of the population. You see this on both sides of the coin as well -- "I only caught a cold what are you all worried about" and "I got long COVID so everyone else will".
  - mancerayder 4y ago
    Did you read the rest of the context here? To avoid implying anything let's recap: Heart attacks are on the rise, is the topic. Some are saying it's due to covid-19, as implied by parent. Some are saying things like, "What if this is just due to people on average being the fattest and most stressed out they've ever been? Being inside for a few years didn't help everyone physically." (comment here) And suggesting other causes (vax, etc). I then point out that almost everyone has had covid-19 at this point. It's not about discussing anecdotes / the strawman argument. I'm pointing out that clearly something else is at play here. Look, you have a very unhealthy population relative to recent history, given the high percentage of overweight/obese/sedentary people; you have stupid shutdowns of recreation[1]; you tell people the air outside is poisonous and the moral thing is to stay inside on the couch. Now it's end of 2020, early 2021 Suddenly everyone's a baker, consuming large amounts of alcohol, not exercising and many are gaining weight. We're doing the moral thing, but we're not doing what we were born to do, which is move our bodies, the singular best prevention for cardiovascular issues. That this constellation of things that happened prior to and during the pandemic would make some more susceptible to vascular disease is worth exploring as a multifactorial set of causes. 1 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/california-shuts-down-beaches-as-crowds-flock-to-the-coast https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/california-shuts-down-beac... At one point we even shut down beaches, because we thought the virus was flying around in the wind and sea air out of people's mouths. I still see people walking around alone on the streets wearing masks, today in 2023, like some sort of medieval superstition (reminiscent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory).

ImaCake 4y ago

We know, but it’s not like there is much of a choice here. We are all going to be exposed to covid no matter what we do.

lamontcg 4y ago
Well doing your best not to catch it before there was a vaccine and then getting vaccinated will best improve your chances. But I was more referring to everyone in this thread speculating about obesity, vaccines and everything other than the novel pandemic virus with the thrombotic complications that swept the globe that just MIGHT have something to do with the rise in heart attacks. Which was pretty much predicted by anyone paying attention back in summer of 2020. And probably why people who recover from COVID have a higher mortality rate 18 months after infection: https://www.nursinginpractice.com/clinical/dermatology/covid-19-patients-have-higher-mortality-rate-18-months-after-infection/ https://www.nursinginpractice.com/clinical/dermatology/covid...
- ImaCake 4y ago
  Oh yeah. I agree with this. I am just frustrated by people saying we still need to keep avoiding COVID when the cost is much higher to continue doing so.

mise_en_place 4y ago

Sitting on your ass all day in front of a screen will also cause thrombotic disorders.

mancerayder 4y ago

The overwhelming majority of us have gotten covid, though. But only some are suffering from the thrombatic disorder. Have you thought about that at all?

Timon3 4y ago
Many have gotten COVID, but not everyone got significantly, sick. Many have gotten the flu, yet only very few of us have died to it. Most of us survived all the various illnesses we have as children, but not all of us were so lucky. What are you trying to imply? Is it really such a strange thought to you that not everyone will have the same symptoms, and not everyone will have similar kinds of damages?
- lamontcg 4y ago
  Yep, a frighteningly large chunk of the population thinks that their experiences generalizes to literally the entire rest of the population. You see this on both sides of the coin as well -- "I only caught a cold what are you all worried about" and "I got long COVID so everyone else will".
- mancerayder 4y ago
  Did you read the rest of the context here? To avoid implying anything let's recap: Heart attacks are on the rise, is the topic. Some are saying it's due to covid-19, as implied by parent. Some are saying things like, "What if this is just due to people on average being the fattest and most stressed out they've ever been? Being inside for a few years didn't help everyone physically." (comment here) And suggesting other causes (vax, etc). I then point out that almost everyone has had covid-19 at this point. It's not about discussing anecdotes / the strawman argument. I'm pointing out that clearly something else is at play here. Look, you have a very unhealthy population relative to recent history, given the high percentage of overweight/obese/sedentary people; you have stupid shutdowns of recreation[1]; you tell people the air outside is poisonous and the moral thing is to stay inside on the couch. Now it's end of 2020, early 2021 Suddenly everyone's a baker, consuming large amounts of alcohol, not exercising and many are gaining weight. We're doing the moral thing, but we're not doing what we were born to do, which is move our bodies, the singular best prevention for cardiovascular issues. That this constellation of things that happened prior to and during the pandemic would make some more susceptible to vascular disease is worth exploring as a multifactorial set of causes. 1 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/california-shuts-down-beaches-as-crowds-flock-to-the-coast https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/california-shuts-down-beac... At one point we even shut down beaches, because we thought the virus was flying around in the wind and sea air out of people's mouths. I still see people walking around alone on the streets wearing masks, today in 2023, like some sort of medieval superstition (reminiscent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory).