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What if this is just due to people on average being the fattest and most stressed out they've ever been? Being inside for a few years didn't help everyone physi

by aliqot 4y ago

What if this is just due to people on average being the fattest and most stressed out they've ever been? Being inside for a few years didn't help everyone physically.

tremere 4y ago
Obesity has been trending up even before the pandemic. I don't see how driving through stressful traffic for 60-120+ minutes per day and eating restaurant food is supposed to make anyone healthier. In my personal experience, the pandemic led me to build a home gym and prepare my own food, both of which have seem to have led to better health both "objectively" (weight, cholesterol, CRP, VO2max) and subjectively (how I "feel").
- petodo 4y ago
  > In my personal experience, the pandemic led me to build a home gym and prepare my own food, both of which have seem to have led to better health both "objectively" (weight, cholesterol, CRP, VO2max) and subjectively (how I "feel"). Yeah, I doubt this applies to majority of office workers, majority of people just stopped moving while WFH and get fatter, so obviously their physical condition deteroriated vax/COVID or not.
  - tremere 4y ago
    Probably not for most people, but it's not known whether this is due to WFH, considering obesity has been on a linear upward trajectory for decades.
- baxtr 4y ago
  I gained about 20 pounds during the first 2 years of the pandemic. I was stressed and depressed being locked down, especially during those awful winters. Since early 2022 when things began to normalize I have lost 10 pounds.
petodo 4y ago
Correct, I'm pretty sure the trend was same, the question now is whether it's accelerated in most vaxxed nations compared to least vaxxed nations, then you can draw conclusion whether it's caused by COVID or vax, if it accelerated since 2021.
- fsh 4y ago
  Or you could simply check some of the papers that have already been written on this exact issue: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/research/publications/index.html#anchor_1639772389647 https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/research/publications/inde...
  - petodo 4y ago
    institution which was forcing people to vax and was spreading lies you can't get infected or spread virus while vaxxed is the last place I'd look for unbiased information
    - aliqot 4y ago
      Then the inverse is also impossible, so this can't be a stipulation of the argument. It's a binary situation, either an institution accepted the unvaccinated or they didn't, ergo, by your logic, neither should be trusted to do this research. If not an academic institution then who? Dare I elicit a gasp from the crowd and say "The Government"? What exactly is it that would satisfy you?
lamontcg 4y ago
Or it could be related to the fact that COVID-19 is also a clotting disorder and venous thromboembolism is a common complication.
RGamma 4y ago
Obesity and lack of exercise are long-term risk factors that hit later in life. Not at 25-44 (maybe in the late 30s/40s). Haven't looked at the exact data but there might be something else driving this.
- FearlessNebula 4y ago
  It’s not about the obesity, it’s about the metabolic disease. We have T2 diabetic children with human foie gras. Why? Because of the standard American diet, accurately named SAD.
ekianjo 4y ago
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spaceman_2020 4y ago
Correct. Sitting at home absolutely destroyed my health. I got a cervical disc bulge, gained nearly 10kgs in weight, had weird pains and aches in random body spots. It's the worst I've felt in ever. On a normal day during the pandemic, I would get like 1500 steps in. Before the pandemic, walking to/from the metro alone would take up nearly 8k steps. Total would easily be 12k+ steps. It was a drastic reduction in activity. I attribute all my current health problems to it.
- newsclues 4y ago
  As someone that got COVID in March 2020, and was pretty active before. It took some time to recover, but I continued getting exercise, despite being a studio apartment dweller. But after a shook COVID, I stopped listening to the news and government that said going outside was dangerous and got my walking in and continued to go out for fresh air. I have fully recovered from COVID, and have actually lost weight (food got more expensive, my income did not go up to cover that). I can understand how some people worked from home and got fat eating good food, but I also understand these things were choices. I choose to exercise. I choose to eat less healthy food instead of eating cheap crap. I choose to think about my health, and put in the work to be healthy. For me, COVID was an opportunity to control my health, and it seems like others suffered by failing to do so and following the media and masses. I think I made the right choice. Do you have any regrets about your choices? Or do you think COVID was just a bad thing that happened to you and you had no control?
  - spaceman_2020 4y ago
    A lot of my physical activity was almost automatic. I would walk to/from the metro. On the way back, I would stop by the gym. It was all momentum. Covid killed all that momentum. And anytime I would get into a groove, a new round of lockdowns would put a giant pause on it. The gyms and parks were closed during all the multiple waves. I would workout at home but it was just not enough activity - every hour long workout was followed by 23 hours of sitting/lying down. Whereas in a normal day, an hour long workout would be followed by a walk to the metro, walking around in the office, walking to the local market…way more motion. Worse, there was nothing much to do except sit around and look at screens. No going out for drinks, no weekends at the park, no chatting around after gym. I could have made some better choices, admittedly though.

by aliqot 4y ago

What if this is just due to people on average being the fattest and most stressed out they've ever been? Being inside for a few years didn't help everyone physically.

tremere 4y ago

Obesity has been trending up even before the pandemic. I don't see how driving through stressful traffic for 60-120+ minutes per day and eating restaurant food is supposed to make anyone healthier. In my personal experience, the pandemic led me to build a home gym and prepare my own food, both of which have seem to have led to better health both "objectively" (weight, cholesterol, CRP, VO2max) and subjectively (how I "feel").

petodo 4y ago
> In my personal experience, the pandemic led me to build a home gym and prepare my own food, both of which have seem to have led to better health both "objectively" (weight, cholesterol, CRP, VO2max) and subjectively (how I "feel"). Yeah, I doubt this applies to majority of office workers, majority of people just stopped moving while WFH and get fatter, so obviously their physical condition deteroriated vax/COVID or not.
- tremere 4y ago
  Probably not for most people, but it's not known whether this is due to WFH, considering obesity has been on a linear upward trajectory for decades.
baxtr 4y ago
I gained about 20 pounds during the first 2 years of the pandemic. I was stressed and depressed being locked down, especially during those awful winters. Since early 2022 when things began to normalize I have lost 10 pounds.

petodo 4y ago

Correct, I'm pretty sure the trend was same, the question now is whether it's accelerated in most vaxxed nations compared to least vaxxed nations, then you can draw conclusion whether it's caused by COVID or vax, if it accelerated since 2021.

fsh 4y ago
Or you could simply check some of the papers that have already been written on this exact issue: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/research/publications/index.html#anchor_1639772389647 https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/research/publications/inde...
- petodo 4y ago
  institution which was forcing people to vax and was spreading lies you can't get infected or spread virus while vaxxed is the last place I'd look for unbiased information
  - aliqot 4y ago
    Then the inverse is also impossible, so this can't be a stipulation of the argument. It's a binary situation, either an institution accepted the unvaccinated or they didn't, ergo, by your logic, neither should be trusted to do this research. If not an academic institution then who? Dare I elicit a gasp from the crowd and say "The Government"? What exactly is it that would satisfy you?

lamontcg 4y ago

Or it could be related to the fact that COVID-19 is also a clotting disorder and venous thromboembolism is a common complication.

RGamma 4y ago

Obesity and lack of exercise are long-term risk factors that hit later in life. Not at 25-44 (maybe in the late 30s/40s). Haven't looked at the exact data but there might be something else driving this.

FearlessNebula 4y ago
It’s not about the obesity, it’s about the metabolic disease. We have T2 diabetic children with human foie gras. Why? Because of the standard American diet, accurately named SAD.

ekianjo 4y ago

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spaceman_2020 4y ago

Correct. Sitting at home absolutely destroyed my health. I got a cervical disc bulge, gained nearly 10kgs in weight, had weird pains and aches in random body spots. It's the worst I've felt in ever. On a normal day during the pandemic, I would get like 1500 steps in. Before the pandemic, walking to/from the metro alone would take up nearly 8k steps. Total would easily be 12k+ steps. It was a drastic reduction in activity. I attribute all my current health problems to it.

newsclues 4y ago
As someone that got COVID in March 2020, and was pretty active before. It took some time to recover, but I continued getting exercise, despite being a studio apartment dweller. But after a shook COVID, I stopped listening to the news and government that said going outside was dangerous and got my walking in and continued to go out for fresh air. I have fully recovered from COVID, and have actually lost weight (food got more expensive, my income did not go up to cover that). I can understand how some people worked from home and got fat eating good food, but I also understand these things were choices. I choose to exercise. I choose to eat less healthy food instead of eating cheap crap. I choose to think about my health, and put in the work to be healthy. For me, COVID was an opportunity to control my health, and it seems like others suffered by failing to do so and following the media and masses. I think I made the right choice. Do you have any regrets about your choices? Or do you think COVID was just a bad thing that happened to you and you had no control?
- spaceman_2020 4y ago
  A lot of my physical activity was almost automatic. I would walk to/from the metro. On the way back, I would stop by the gym. It was all momentum. Covid killed all that momentum. And anytime I would get into a groove, a new round of lockdowns would put a giant pause on it. The gyms and parks were closed during all the multiple waves. I would workout at home but it was just not enough activity - every hour long workout was followed by 23 hours of sitting/lying down. Whereas in a normal day, an hour long workout would be followed by a walk to the metro, walking around in the office, walking to the local market…way more motion. Worse, there was nothing much to do except sit around and look at screens. No going out for drinks, no weekends at the park, no chatting around after gym. I could have made some better choices, admittedly though.