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Considering older age groups tend to be more vaccinated than the 25-44 cohort and they haven’t seen as much of a rise as the 25-44 cohort it’s pretty clear it’s

Considering older age groups tend to be more vaccinated than the 25-44 cohort and they haven’t seen as much of a rise as the 25-44 cohort it’s pretty clear it’s Covid and/or stressors related to the pandemic. The fact that you’re even considering the vaccine when we’ve been hit by a pandemic that is known to devastate organs shows that the anti-vaxxers have been unfortunately effective in their messaging.

upsidesinclude 4y ago
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- dang 4y ago
  Please don't post flamewar comments to HN, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
AlbertCory 4y ago
Wouldn't a properly controlled study consist of comparing 25-44 adults who have not been vaccinated vs. an identical group (as much as that's possible) who have been?
- x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
  Sure, go ahead and pay for it.
  - AlbertCory 4y ago
    So you think that's the correct test? Or you don't?
dmichulke 4y ago
Two more pleasant interpretations: "We need the data about death of vaccinated vs non-vaccinated now [and the data about non-deaths of vaxxed/non-vaxxed]" Or a more general: "We need the data about death of vaccinated vs non-vaccinated now [as research without giving access to the data is not to be trusted, regardless of the field of science]" I could also construe an argument how anti-vaxxers have been effective in polarizing your interpretation of an otherwise normal request. Be tolerant of opinions you dislike, especially when they ask for data.
dokem 4y ago
Your logic doesn’t check out. The rise in heart attacks could be in the noise floor of the older group but not in the younger group. Why people are not willing to have an honest conversation about the implications of developing and rushing out a new vaccine to the entire world in less than 2 years is very confusing to me.
alfor 4y ago
If the vaccine help (if covid is the culprit) then you will see lower rate of death in the vaccinated group. My trust in the medical system is at the lowest it’s ever been. I saw how they operate. Health is a result only when it align with financial interest. Yes it’s possible the spike protein (from the virus) is causing this. The data can help show were it come from. Either way without the data we are blind. Time will tell anyway.

upsidesinclude 4y ago

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dang 4y ago
Please don't post flamewar comments to HN, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

AlbertCory 4y ago

Wouldn't a properly controlled study consist of comparing 25-44 adults who have not been vaccinated vs. an identical group (as much as that's possible) who have been?

x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
Sure, go ahead and pay for it.
- AlbertCory 4y ago
  So you think that's the correct test? Or you don't?

dmichulke 4y ago

Two more pleasant interpretations: "We need the data about death of vaccinated vs non-vaccinated now [and the data about non-deaths of vaxxed/non-vaxxed]" Or a more general: "We need the data about death of vaccinated vs non-vaccinated now [as research without giving access to the data is not to be trusted, regardless of the field of science]" I could also construe an argument how anti-vaxxers have been effective in polarizing your interpretation of an otherwise normal request. Be tolerant of opinions you dislike, especially when they ask for data.

dokem 4y ago

Your logic doesn’t check out. The rise in heart attacks could be in the noise floor of the older group but not in the younger group. Why people are not willing to have an honest conversation about the implications of developing and rushing out a new vaccine to the entire world in less than 2 years is very confusing to me.

alfor 4y ago

If the vaccine help (if covid is the culprit) then you will see lower rate of death in the vaccinated group. My trust in the medical system is at the lowest it’s ever been. I saw how they operate. Health is a result only when it align with financial interest. Yes it’s possible the spike protein (from the virus) is causing this. The data can help show were it come from. Either way without the data we are blind. Time will tell anyway.