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Can't watch from my country, what's the tl;dw? In which population, and are there any reasons why?

kennywinker 4y ago
Journal article is here https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.28187 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.28187 I only read the abstract, but they don't offer an explanation - only that it's linked to the pandemic in terms of time-frame.
- maxerickson 4y ago
  Full text available at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9839603/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9839603/
alfor 4y ago
Important rise, we don’t know why(job loss? stress?, covid?), we don’t talk about mRNA vaccines.
- zxcvbn4038 4y ago
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  - threeseed 4y ago
    You do know that not everyone lives in the US. And so your tired argument about pharmaceutical companies and elections is irrelevant for many of us.
- oblib 4y ago
  I'll give you my experience with them. I just turned 63 and got the Pfizer vaxx and boosters as early as I could. Honestly, I did not have any side effects at all and neither did my wife. We made a point to take some vitamins and supplements for a few days before getting the shots, but that was all. In Dec 2021 one of our daughters, who refused to get vaxxed, came up for the holidays and tested positive about 5 days later. She was sick in bed for 5 days. My wife and I had to nurse her but we still did not get infected. Neither of us wore masks in the house during that time, but we did open windows and doors to freshen the air everyday. She's gotten infected two more times since then, and told us not long ago she's dealing with some long haul issues. I don't get out much but my wife deals with people from all over (we live near a tourist destination) and neither of have been sick at all since before this crud hit. The only other thing we've really done is keep up on the vitamins and supplements. And really don't even do those everyday. More like a few times a week. So I really can't say anything negative about the mRNA vaccine I and few other's I know got. None of us who are fully vaxxed and boosted have experienced any downside or been infected with Covid. Don't get me wrong... I'm not feeling anything close to invincible, or smart for that matter. It's been a roll of the dice no matter what we've chose to do about covid.
  - wccrawford 4y ago
    My wife and our friends all got vaccinated as early as we could, and got all the boosters we could. We're also pretty careful around strangers, and stay home when we feel sick. Most of us have had Covid at least once now. I'm super glad that you haven't had Covid and I hope you never do. But the vaccine just vastly improves your odds of not contracting it, and lessens the effects if you do. It's not anywhere near 100% effective against it. My point is that you should continue to be at least a little cautious, and not just ignore Covid.
  - alfor 4y ago
    I got 2X vax, my wife also. We both got covid anyway. I also got covid early and it was bad, took time to get through it. My aunt got heart problems 3 days after second dose, almost died, dismissed by doctor, unreported. I saw that a simple procedure (aspiration) would reduce 3X the number of cardiac problem caused by the vaccine (make sure you inject in the muscle not in a vein) they don’t do it even if it take just a few second and even the veterinarian do it on horses. I also saw how the medical system work from the inside: The pharma own everything, that make the "formation" control the governing bodies. Follow the money explain a lot of what is happening. The risk/benefit was probably good for the first few variants. Also to get emergency use(absolution from responsibility) they had to have zero other solutions, doctor that found solution got destroyed, the solutions got demolished. TLDR: it’s complicated
autoexec 4y ago
Covid infection, even previous infection, will doubtless be one reason. With so many people getting infected (and reinfected), that's got to take a toll on the population. > anyone infected with COVID is at higher risk for heart issues—including clots, inflammation, and arrhythmias—a risk that persists even in relatively healthy people long after the illness has passed...I went into it thinking that [the risk] was going to be most pronounced and evident in people who smoked a lot or had diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease, or some [other] risk factors. What we found is that even in people who did not have any heart problems start with, were athletic, did not have a high BMI, were not obese, did not smoke, did not have kidney disease or diabetes—even in people who were previously healthy and had no risk factors or problems with the heart—COVID-19 affected them in such a way that manifested the higher risk of heart problems than people who did not get COVID-19. (https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/covid-and-the-heart-it-spares-no-one https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/covid-and-the-heart-it-spa...) > The coronavirus may infect and damage the heart’s muscle tissue directly...Coronavirus infection also affects the inner surfaces of veins and arteries, which can cause blood vessel inflammation, damage to very small vessels and blood clots....As the virus causes inflammation and fluid to fill up the air sacs in the lungs, less oxygen can reach the bloodstream. The heart has to work harder to pump blood through the body, which can be dangerous in people with preexisting heart disease...Viral infections can cause cardiomyopathy, a heart muscle disorder that affects the heart’s ability to pump blood effectively (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/heart-problems-after-covid19 https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...)
- idontwantthis 4y ago
  Any idea if an EKG as part of an annual checkup will notice if your heart has been damaged in this way?
  - autoexec 4y ago
    EKG results can change after covid, but I'm guessing it'd be even easier to see problems with imaging (CMR) too. I'd make sure your doctor knows you've had covid so they can take that into consideration and I wouldn't wait around for your annual if covid symptoms resolved a while ago but you've been experiencing symptoms like shortness of breath or chest pain. I've been seeing discussions for a long time about the advantages of cardiac screening for people post-covid and when it'd be most appropriate to recommend it or request it, but I have my doubts it'll ever be common practice to do it for everyone. The healthcare system in my country isn't great about giving preventative care and early screening to the masses.

Journal article is here https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.28187 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.28187 I only read the abstract, but they don't offer an explanation - only that it's linked to the pandemic in terms of time-frame.

maxerickson 4y ago
Full text available at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9839603/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9839603/

alfor 4y ago

Important rise, we don’t know why(job loss? stress?, covid?), we don’t talk about mRNA vaccines.

zxcvbn4038 4y ago
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- threeseed 4y ago
  You do know that not everyone lives in the US. And so your tired argument about pharmaceutical companies and elections is irrelevant for many of us.
oblib 4y ago
I'll give you my experience with them. I just turned 63 and got the Pfizer vaxx and boosters as early as I could. Honestly, I did not have any side effects at all and neither did my wife. We made a point to take some vitamins and supplements for a few days before getting the shots, but that was all. In Dec 2021 one of our daughters, who refused to get vaxxed, came up for the holidays and tested positive about 5 days later. She was sick in bed for 5 days. My wife and I had to nurse her but we still did not get infected. Neither of us wore masks in the house during that time, but we did open windows and doors to freshen the air everyday. She's gotten infected two more times since then, and told us not long ago she's dealing with some long haul issues. I don't get out much but my wife deals with people from all over (we live near a tourist destination) and neither of have been sick at all since before this crud hit. The only other thing we've really done is keep up on the vitamins and supplements. And really don't even do those everyday. More like a few times a week. So I really can't say anything negative about the mRNA vaccine I and few other's I know got. None of us who are fully vaxxed and boosted have experienced any downside or been infected with Covid. Don't get me wrong... I'm not feeling anything close to invincible, or smart for that matter. It's been a roll of the dice no matter what we've chose to do about covid.
- wccrawford 4y ago
  My wife and our friends all got vaccinated as early as we could, and got all the boosters we could. We're also pretty careful around strangers, and stay home when we feel sick. Most of us have had Covid at least once now. I'm super glad that you haven't had Covid and I hope you never do. But the vaccine just vastly improves your odds of not contracting it, and lessens the effects if you do. It's not anywhere near 100% effective against it. My point is that you should continue to be at least a little cautious, and not just ignore Covid.
- alfor 4y ago
  I got 2X vax, my wife also. We both got covid anyway. I also got covid early and it was bad, took time to get through it. My aunt got heart problems 3 days after second dose, almost died, dismissed by doctor, unreported. I saw that a simple procedure (aspiration) would reduce 3X the number of cardiac problem caused by the vaccine (make sure you inject in the muscle not in a vein) they don’t do it even if it take just a few second and even the veterinarian do it on horses. I also saw how the medical system work from the inside: The pharma own everything, that make the "formation" control the governing bodies. Follow the money explain a lot of what is happening. The risk/benefit was probably good for the first few variants. Also to get emergency use(absolution from responsibility) they had to have zero other solutions, doctor that found solution got destroyed, the solutions got demolished. TLDR: it’s complicated

autoexec 4y ago

Covid infection, even previous infection, will doubtless be one reason. With so many people getting infected (and reinfected), that's got to take a toll on the population. > anyone infected with COVID is at higher risk for heart issues—including clots, inflammation, and arrhythmias—a risk that persists even in relatively healthy people long after the illness has passed...I went into it thinking that [the risk] was going to be most pronounced and evident in people who smoked a lot or had diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease, or some [other] risk factors. What we found is that even in people who did not have any heart problems start with, were athletic, did not have a high BMI, were not obese, did not smoke, did not have kidney disease or diabetes—even in people who were previously healthy and had no risk factors or problems with the heart—COVID-19 affected them in such a way that manifested the higher risk of heart problems than people who did not get COVID-19. (https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/covid-and-the-heart-it-spares-no-one https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/covid-and-the-heart-it-spa...) > The coronavirus may infect and damage the heart’s muscle tissue directly...Coronavirus infection also affects the inner surfaces of veins and arteries, which can cause blood vessel inflammation, damage to very small vessels and blood clots....As the virus causes inflammation and fluid to fill up the air sacs in the lungs, less oxygen can reach the bloodstream. The heart has to work harder to pump blood through the body, which can be dangerous in people with preexisting heart disease...Viral infections can cause cardiomyopathy, a heart muscle disorder that affects the heart’s ability to pump blood effectively (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/heart-problems-after-covid19 https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...)

idontwantthis 4y ago
Any idea if an EKG as part of an annual checkup will notice if your heart has been damaged in this way?
- autoexec 4y ago
  EKG results can change after covid, but I'm guessing it'd be even easier to see problems with imaging (CMR) too. I'd make sure your doctor knows you've had covid so they can take that into consideration and I wouldn't wait around for your annual if covid symptoms resolved a while ago but you've been experiencing symptoms like shortness of breath or chest pain. I've been seeing discussions for a long time about the advantages of cardiac screening for people post-covid and when it'd be most appropriate to recommend it or request it, but I have my doubts it'll ever be common practice to do it for everyone. The healthcare system in my country isn't great about giving preventative care and early screening to the masses.