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> - the students have a way of reporting, e.g., bullying. And it is only the information (messages and names) related to the report that the school now gets acc

> - the students have a way of reporting, e.g., bullying. And it is only the information (messages and names) related to the report that the school now gets accessed to. Does that ever work? What's the school going to do, launch an investigation and put kids into interrogations to figure out if it's true? Send in undercover students to confirm the bullying? And then what, expel the bullies and deal with lawsuits from the parents? Schools have every incentive to look the other way, and unsurprisingly, they usually do. And for students there's zero incentive to even report it. It's like living next to a known criminal and the police saying "tell us if you ever see something strange". Nobody is going to, because they understand that it's just lip service and the police isn't going to do anything, but they'll still have to live next to the criminal when he finds out someone has spoken to the police. Explaining to students that if they bully someone, they're increasing the likelihood of that person one day bringing a pump gun to school and murdering them is a much better deterrent than any "you can report it and we totally will take that seriously and do something" campaign.

labster 4y ago
Based on that last paragraph I’m going to assume you live in the US.
- luckylion 4y ago
  I don't, we have (much fewer) shootings in Germany too. Not everyone who is bullied goes to shoot up the school, but in many school shootings, bullying was involved. Surprisingly, it's not the super popular kids and bullies that start shooting.
LeonB 4y ago
> Explaining to students that if they bully someone, they're increasing the likelihood of that person one day bringing a pump gun to school and murdering them is a much better deterrent than … Please please tell me you don’t work with kids or ever open your mouth anywhere near kids. The unintended consequences of your “advice” are beyond horrific.
- pksebben 4y ago
  I'm not sure I follow. are you suggesting that by saying there's a connection between bullying and school shootings, that increases the risk of school shootings?
  - barry-cotter 4y ago
    Yes. Just as talking about suicide or anorexia or multiple personality disorder leads to explosions in its prevalence so with school and other mass shootings.
  - LeonB 4y ago
    No, as “A connection between bullying and school shootings” is not what the grand-parent comment “suggests” - and omits the purpose and the style in which they made their proposal. The GP comment suggests that: 1. As an effective deterrent to bullying We explain 2. To students That 3. “if they bully someone, they're increasing the likelihood of that person one day bringing a pump gun to school and murdering them” And they seem to have overlooked quite a few concepts in putting forward this proposal. For example — The alleged perpetrators of any such pump shotgun massacre would be amongst the audience of people receiving this message. And The audience are students, not professors of logic or Bayesian mathematicians or any other category of audience. And more. Good night.
_aavaa_ 4y ago
> What’s the school going to do? I don’t really understand where you’ve coming from. Either the school is supposed to act on information it receives to stop anti-social behaviour, or it’s not. I certainly don’t believe that the school should do nothing, and I believe that most people agree with me. If they are supposed to do something, then I don’t have a specific course of action since it’ll be situational. But I do know, that the correct response is not “do nothing”. > there’s zero incentive for students to even report it. That’s only because the school isn’t doing anything to address what complains they do get.
- luckylion 4y ago
  > I certainly don’t believe that the school should do nothing, and I believe that most people agree with me. It's not about what it should do, it's about what it's going to do. The way the system is set up, they won't do anything unless something drastic happens (extreme violence) or they get press coverage for it. And then they'll set up some program to teach kids not to bully. Naturally, kids bully because they haven't been told not to.

labster 4y ago

Based on that last paragraph I’m going to assume you live in the US.

luckylion 4y ago
I don't, we have (much fewer) shootings in Germany too. Not everyone who is bullied goes to shoot up the school, but in many school shootings, bullying was involved. Surprisingly, it's not the super popular kids and bullies that start shooting.

LeonB 4y ago

> Explaining to students that if they bully someone, they're increasing the likelihood of that person one day bringing a pump gun to school and murdering them is a much better deterrent than … Please please tell me you don’t work with kids or ever open your mouth anywhere near kids. The unintended consequences of your “advice” are beyond horrific.

pksebben 4y ago
I'm not sure I follow. are you suggesting that by saying there's a connection between bullying and school shootings, that increases the risk of school shootings?
- barry-cotter 4y ago
  Yes. Just as talking about suicide or anorexia or multiple personality disorder leads to explosions in its prevalence so with school and other mass shootings.
- LeonB 4y ago
  No, as “A connection between bullying and school shootings” is not what the grand-parent comment “suggests” - and omits the purpose and the style in which they made their proposal. The GP comment suggests that: 1. As an effective deterrent to bullying We explain 2. To students That 3. “if they bully someone, they're increasing the likelihood of that person one day bringing a pump gun to school and murdering them” And they seem to have overlooked quite a few concepts in putting forward this proposal. For example — The alleged perpetrators of any such pump shotgun massacre would be amongst the audience of people receiving this message. And The audience are students, not professors of logic or Bayesian mathematicians or any other category of audience. And more. Good night.

_aavaa_ 4y ago

> What’s the school going to do? I don’t really understand where you’ve coming from. Either the school is supposed to act on information it receives to stop anti-social behaviour, or it’s not. I certainly don’t believe that the school should do nothing, and I believe that most people agree with me. If they are supposed to do something, then I don’t have a specific course of action since it’ll be situational. But I do know, that the correct response is not “do nothing”. > there’s zero incentive for students to even report it. That’s only because the school isn’t doing anything to address what complains they do get.

luckylion 4y ago
> I certainly don’t believe that the school should do nothing, and I believe that most people agree with me. It's not about what it should do, it's about what it's going to do. The way the system is set up, they won't do anything unless something drastic happens (extreme violence) or they get press coverage for it. And then they'll set up some program to teach kids not to bully. Naturally, kids bully because they haven't been told not to.