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So funny, at work in my company we do have computers, since we re an investment bank doing electronic trading, but no youtube, nor even mobile phone allowed. I

by xwolfi 4y ago

So funny, at work in my company we do have computers, since we re an investment bank doing electronic trading, but no youtube, nor even mobile phone allowed. If they catch us with a mobile phone on the trading floor, it's reported to compliance. Why are school allowing kids to have youtube during class, they could at least firewall it like companies do.

yamtaddle 4y ago
Blocking certain sites can make having the Internet at all far less useful to teachers. Youtube's one of those. Unfortunately, Youtube doesn't have allow-list capabilities that'd allow blocking YouTube proper but allowing some subdomain that required login and displayed only permitted videos (parents have only been begging for it since, IDK, forever—YouTube Kids is a cesspool, all we want is allow-lists, but nooooo). Youtube was especially vital during remote learning (what's a better way for a teacher to distribute a video lesson?) and some schools are still trying to use similar schemes for snow days and such. Plus there's just a ton of useful material on Youtube and teachers don't always think of some video they might want to show when they're at home and can snag it on their own connection, or maybe they want the kids to watch them individually at their own pace (being able to pause or rewind is so nice!) (for the record, I'd rather they just ditch the tech entirely until at least high school, but if they're gonna have it, they probably ought to have YouTube access or else it's far less useful. I'm also not sure why schools started letting kids carry phones to class, what a fucking terrible idea)
- whatshisface 4y ago
  Different YouTube videos are at different URLs.
  - contravariant 4y ago
    You can't really block URLs at a network level though, you'd need access to the device. If you own the device you could of course install the required root certificates to interfere with HTTPS traffic, but arguably that's more intrusive, and a massive security hole if you make a mistake (like Lenovo did, for example).
  - Wowfunhappy 4y ago
    This would require teachers to get individual approval for every video they want to show. That isn't practical!
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - whatshisface 4y ago
      Not if you gave teachers control over the list!
earthling8118 4y ago
I remember them trying that when I was in school. It didn't work. For one the school's IT staff was helplessly incompetent. But also the task is far more difficult than it sounds. There are a ridiculous number of ways to circumvent blocks. Another issue is being overly zealous in blocking. I had a lot of difficulty for certain research projects due to blanket filter bans on large swathes of information

by xwolfi 4y ago

yamtaddle 4y ago

Blocking certain sites can make having the Internet at all far less useful to teachers. Youtube's one of those. Unfortunately, Youtube doesn't have allow-list capabilities that'd allow blocking YouTube proper but allowing some subdomain that required login and displayed only permitted videos (parents have only been begging for it since, IDK, forever—YouTube Kids is a cesspool, all we want is allow-lists, but nooooo). Youtube was especially vital during remote learning (what's a better way for a teacher to distribute a video lesson?) and some schools are still trying to use similar schemes for snow days and such. Plus there's just a ton of useful material on Youtube and teachers don't always think of some video they might want to show when they're at home and can snag it on their own connection, or maybe they want the kids to watch them individually at their own pace (being able to pause or rewind is so nice!) (for the record, I'd rather they just ditch the tech entirely until at least high school, but if they're gonna have it, they probably ought to have YouTube access or else it's far less useful. I'm also not sure why schools started letting kids carry phones to class, what a fucking terrible idea)

whatshisface 4y ago
Different YouTube videos are at different URLs.
- contravariant 4y ago
  You can't really block URLs at a network level though, you'd need access to the device. If you own the device you could of course install the required root certificates to interfere with HTTPS traffic, but arguably that's more intrusive, and a massive security hole if you make a mistake (like Lenovo did, for example).
- Wowfunhappy 4y ago
  This would require teachers to get individual approval for every video they want to show. That isn't practical!
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - whatshisface 4y ago
    Not if you gave teachers control over the list!

earthling8118 4y ago

I remember them trying that when I was in school. It didn't work. For one the school's IT staff was helplessly incompetent. But also the task is far more difficult than it sounds. There are a ridiculous number of ways to circumvent blocks. Another issue is being overly zealous in blocking. I had a lot of difficulty for certain research projects due to blanket filter bans on large swathes of information