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Its usually called a lights out factory - and they some Japanese production facilities claim to run in this mode. Fanuc and Sony-Playstation comes to mind. ht
by PicassoCTs 4y ago
Its usually called a lights out factory - and they some Japanese production facilities claim to run in this mode. Fanuc and Sony-Playstation comes to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-YkFzWj6o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-YkFzWj6o
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/PlayStation-s-secret-weapon-a-nearly-all-automated-factory https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/PlayStation-s-sec...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lights_out_(manufacturing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lights_out_(manufacturing)
My personal experience with robots and factory automation makes these claims rather dubious. There is always some stressed maintainer needed, at lest on standby. Factory equipment ages constantly and even "durable" parts, like the energy chains break regularly irregularly and it takes experience to detect and pre-emptively replace these. Until that "flickering" part is replaced, you have a constant series of increasingly occurring line stops. Including, product removal and NIO product increasing. Its possible to run a busy looking factory producing nothing but scrap for days.
Broken products and its residue clog at unexpected places, a thousand parts later, the glue from the packaging it arrives in, makes the unwrapping machine sticky. Dust that comes in with the package, accumulates or static charges transport actually non floating foils to unexpected places.
Nature finds a way, and spiders build there webs in front of light or capacity sensors. Even cats bring there young into some hidden cable spaces and thats a good thing, because they prevent rats from gnawing on the cables.
Finally, the cheapest bidder wins and makes factory equipment everywhere, especially if its new, prone to breakage and failure. Resulting in the maintainers, partially rebuilding machines with self-made parts until they are sturdy. Until that stage is reached, machines can have quirks, like vibrations moving sensors of position.
Also, the cheapest supplier also comes to plc software, resulting in horrific state-machines, waiting for ghost parts that left the system aeons ago and need careful massaging by maintainers to calm the enraged machine spirits (sometimes by hitting a robot with a wrench-> It opens the safety circuit, resetting the programs base state).
Many robots are needed for very precise tasks, and need to re-calibrate in intervals to keep fulfilling there tasks. These error calibrations happen on top of the often used
Non-parametric robot calibration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_calibration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_calibration.
Its prone to move with temperature, moisture and alot of other parameters. Requiring a adaption of the programs used in industrial automation.
Finally, there are "sales-failures", were the automation is sold, produced and then - never worked out. As in a dead "abandoned channel" of the assembly line. Its shown during factory tours as the "future" but the layer of dust and the missing traces of use give away, that it is not used in production. Usually its precision requirements that couldnt be met or would have required insane efforts. The Welding at Wendelstein comes to mind, were they created a "reference frame via laser triangulation" to prevent wrong welds, due to heat expansion of the material.
Same insanity is usually applied to car manufacturing in
germany, especially for the
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaltma%C3%9F https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaltma%C3%9F obsessions, which regularly result in insane bake offs, with all kinds of robots, sensors and suppliers. That sort of machine just throws alarms, just from heavy equipment working nearby. No lights out there.
Ever.
Some guy sitting nearby, hitting the acknowledge and retry button after viewing up from the cellphone. So anal retentive quality control is a direct opponent of lights out, they want lights on all the time and fast detection of creeping in errors.
So, its a nice goal, but until machines can handle all of the above. No.
- alcover 4y agoThank you for providing this grounded view. Writing software, the moving parts seem to work almost perfectly except the rare bit-flip. But it seems factory-scale robotics are not like that..
- bredren 4y ago>Even cats bring there young into some hidden cable spaces and thats a good thing, because they prevent rats from gnawing on the cables. I like this detail.
- mediaman 4y agoAs someone who is a partner in a plastics manufacturing facility, this is a voice of reason. Factories are vast assemblies of atoms constantly entropically smashing and grinding themselves into dust.
- PicassoCTs 4y agoA addition: The only factories, that by "need" and not additional requirement are "lights out" that i have ever experienced, are chip factories, in particular the etching, photo-masking, implanting, etc. Its only when non-automation become a "destructive" force, by lowering the yield, with extreme costs, lights out comes to fruition. And even then. The additional costs are staggering. All technology is not "off" the shelf industrial equipment, but special designed equipment to reduce wear, tear and particles. Another case is, were the equipment or process is dangerous to humans. Battery manufacturing or chemical industry, come to mind. Usually the lights out there is a Encapsulating layer around the machinery, with close direct observation by human overseers.
- LorenPechtel 4y agoYup. I've seen a planned computer assistance step get abandoned because we never figured out a way to work around thermal expansion issues. The objective was to laser-paint a drawing of what they were to build, but we couldn't keep the laser from drifting. (That was ~20 years ago--now I would solve it by putting a camera with the laser, noting the discrepancy and adjusting the laser.)
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