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Yes, it’s your subjective opinion you want to force on everyone else but previously didn’t want to admit is the case because it shows there is no actual argumen

Yes, it’s your subjective opinion you want to force on everyone else but previously didn’t want to admit is the case because it shows there is no actual argument as to why anyone else should agree. Like the clashes over wearing headscarves in Iran where people are literally being killed an imprisoned over that subjective value disagreement. “Everyone should share my values” is essentially an extreme position.

keiferski 4y ago
Thinking that it’s beneficial for people to live in beautiful buildings without pollution is my subjective opinion?
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  What is “beautiful” is, like, the textbook example of a subjective opinion.
  - keiferski 4y ago
    No, not really. The concept of beauty has a long philosophical history and many knowledgeable and intelligent people have written books on the topic. As I said above, the people who think this stuff is entirely subjective tend to be ones that haven’t engaged much (or at all) with previous thought on the topic.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > The concept of beauty has a long philosophical history and many knowledgeable and intelligent people have written books on the topic Which is not incompatible with it being subjective. In fact, many of those “knoweldgeable and intelligent” people have written specifically on its subjectivity, and others explicitly on specific, e.g., of a specific culture and time, subjective standards.
    - uoaei 4y ago
      People who wax philosophical almost entirely about what the inherent subjectivity of aesthetics means for our experience as subjects, individually and collectively.
    - kelseyfrog 4y ago
      This line of reasoning is unsound because it attempts to universalize particulars wrt aesthetics. Universalizing particulars is what Lacan would call psychotic. The antidote here is a good dose hysterics.
- meheleventyone 4y ago
  But you’ve changed the subject. We were discussing what people were wearing. And as obvious yes if you personally think that it’s very acutely your subjective opinion. You are literally telling us your opinion. You couldn’t get a clearer example of something that’s subjective. There’s a worrying level of philosophical paucity here.

keiferski 4y ago

Thinking that it’s beneficial for people to live in beautiful buildings without pollution is my subjective opinion?

dragonwriter 4y ago
What is “beautiful” is, like, the textbook example of a subjective opinion.
- keiferski 4y ago
  No, not really. The concept of beauty has a long philosophical history and many knowledgeable and intelligent people have written books on the topic. As I said above, the people who think this stuff is entirely subjective tend to be ones that haven’t engaged much (or at all) with previous thought on the topic.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > The concept of beauty has a long philosophical history and many knowledgeable and intelligent people have written books on the topic Which is not incompatible with it being subjective. In fact, many of those “knoweldgeable and intelligent” people have written specifically on its subjectivity, and others explicitly on specific, e.g., of a specific culture and time, subjective standards.
  - uoaei 4y ago
    People who wax philosophical almost entirely about what the inherent subjectivity of aesthetics means for our experience as subjects, individually and collectively.
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    This line of reasoning is unsound because it attempts to universalize particulars wrt aesthetics. Universalizing particulars is what Lacan would call psychotic. The antidote here is a good dose hysterics.
meheleventyone 4y ago
But you’ve changed the subject. We were discussing what people were wearing. And as obvious yes if you personally think that it’s very acutely your subjective opinion. You are literally telling us your opinion. You couldn’t get a clearer example of something that’s subjective. There’s a worrying level of philosophical paucity here.