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>>History is my guide. as it is for me, and governments are a disaster. I am unclear how you can look at governments in history and not see a pattern of abus

>>History is my guide. as it is for me, and governments are a disaster. I am unclear how you can look at governments in history and not see a pattern of abuse, dysfunction, corruption, and over all terrible evil >>And today we even have corporations so rich and influencial they are defacto governments. Why do we have these mega corporations? I believe it is because of government, decades of regulatory capture by companies have made it impossible to be in business with out being a huge company these regulatory protectionist policies are what is driving out small business and the competition. you see companies as the root of the evil.. I see beyond the companies and see their protectors the State as the root cause of this evil >>Ideally one responsive to the people they rule. Many problems here, even your terminology betrays your goals for if a government "rules over" the people the people by definition have no power over that government. Violence is never "best", Using governmental force to impose a vision on others is intellectual sloth and typically results in unintended, perverse consequences.

paulryanrogers 4y ago
Where governments are weak there have been company towns, mafia like pseudo-governments, and much violence and exploitation. Corporations without oversight tend toward these same traits. Regulatory capture is a sign of bad government, not that less oversight is always best. Government is just a way to organize collective power and action against the forces in the world that would trample the weak. Some in power are corrupt, that doesn't mean the invisible hand of the market is the answer to magic away all ills. It means we need responsive, representative, and well regulating government to maintain healthy and competitive markets. This government will need a monopoly on violence or else it becomes a war among the powerful with everyone else caught in the middle. BTW I never said violence is best. Violence is unavoidable if disagreements cannot be solved by any other means. Rather my point is it should be monopolized under a government, not left to vigilantes and the whomever owns the most guns.

paulryanrogers 4y ago

Where governments are weak there have been company towns, mafia like pseudo-governments, and much violence and exploitation. Corporations without oversight tend toward these same traits. Regulatory capture is a sign of bad government, not that less oversight is always best. Government is just a way to organize collective power and action against the forces in the world that would trample the weak. Some in power are corrupt, that doesn't mean the invisible hand of the market is the answer to magic away all ills. It means we need responsive, representative, and well regulating government to maintain healthy and competitive markets. This government will need a monopoly on violence or else it becomes a war among the powerful with everyone else caught in the middle. BTW I never said violence is best. Violence is unavoidable if disagreements cannot be solved by any other means. Rather my point is it should be monopolized under a government, not left to vigilantes and the whomever owns the most guns.