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Probably because people are free to migrate anywhere within a country's borders, so cities with lots of social services get overrun with a disproportionate amou

Probably because people are free to migrate anywhere within a country's borders, so cities with lots of social services get overrun with a disproportionate amount of people wanting to use them. These sorts of policies need to be implemented at a nation-wide level for them to be truly effective.

tst01234 4y ago
If you implement them nation-wide the only result would be people coming from abroad to enjoy housing-first social services. Unless you are saying the first step towards solving homelessness is the prevention of illegal entry and the mass expulsion of illegal immigrants.
- gsk22 4y ago
  It is orders of magnitude harder to cross the US national border than between states or counties. Either way, I don't understand this idea that we shouldn't care for Americans because what if some non-Americans got in?
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    I get the impression there's a fair chunk of America that feels that way about any sort of government-provided assistance (though more accurately I guess it's "assistance is fine as long as it's to people I approve of).
LarryMullins 4y ago
"Thing that fails in the small scale needs to be implemented on an even bigger scale" is a hard sell. How do you convince a state that thinks California is a hell hole that they should implement Californian policies in their own state? This doesn't seem possible to me. If there can be a politically practical solution at all, I think it must be one that can be demonstrated to work in the small scale.
- frosted-flakes 4y ago
  If I put myself on a starvation diet and still starve to death, it doesn't follow that the solution to hunger is to eat even less. Obviously, the solution to homelessness is homes.
- yellowapple 4y ago
  > How do you convince a state that thinks California is a hell hole that they should implement Californian policies in their own state? This doesn't seem possible to me. First step would be to identify the specific things that make California a hellhole v. the things California gets right.

tst01234 4y ago

If you implement them nation-wide the only result would be people coming from abroad to enjoy housing-first social services. Unless you are saying the first step towards solving homelessness is the prevention of illegal entry and the mass expulsion of illegal immigrants.

gsk22 4y ago
It is orders of magnitude harder to cross the US national border than between states or counties. Either way, I don't understand this idea that we shouldn't care for Americans because what if some non-Americans got in?
- wizofaus 4y ago
  I get the impression there's a fair chunk of America that feels that way about any sort of government-provided assistance (though more accurately I guess it's "assistance is fine as long as it's to people I approve of).

LarryMullins 4y ago

"Thing that fails in the small scale needs to be implemented on an even bigger scale" is a hard sell. How do you convince a state that thinks California is a hell hole that they should implement Californian policies in their own state? This doesn't seem possible to me. If there can be a politically practical solution at all, I think it must be one that can be demonstrated to work in the small scale.

frosted-flakes 4y ago
If I put myself on a starvation diet and still starve to death, it doesn't follow that the solution to hunger is to eat even less. Obviously, the solution to homelessness is homes.
yellowapple 4y ago
> How do you convince a state that thinks California is a hell hole that they should implement Californian policies in their own state? This doesn't seem possible to me. First step would be to identify the specific things that make California a hellhole v. the things California gets right.