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Progressive cities have tried housing first solutions, yet they have a bigger homelessness problem and it keeps getting worse. Cities that have done treatment

Progressive cities have tried housing first solutions, yet they have a bigger homelessness problem and it keeps getting worse. Cities that have done treatment first policies have seen a reduction homelessness. A great book on this topic is San Fran-sicko. https://www.amazon.com/San-Fransicko-Progressives-Ruin-Cities/dp/0063093626 https://www.amazon.com/San-Fransicko-Progressives-Ruin-Citie...

frosted-flakes 4y ago
Probably because people are free to migrate anywhere within a country's borders, so cities with lots of social services get overrun with a disproportionate amount of people wanting to use them. These sorts of policies need to be implemented at a nation-wide level for them to be truly effective.
- tst01234 4y ago
  If you implement them nation-wide the only result would be people coming from abroad to enjoy housing-first social services. Unless you are saying the first step towards solving homelessness is the prevention of illegal entry and the mass expulsion of illegal immigrants.
  - gsk22 4y ago
    It is orders of magnitude harder to cross the US national border than between states or counties. Either way, I don't understand this idea that we shouldn't care for Americans because what if some non-Americans got in?
    - wizofaus 4y ago
      I get the impression there's a fair chunk of America that feels that way about any sort of government-provided assistance (though more accurately I guess it's "assistance is fine as long as it's to people I approve of).
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  "Thing that fails in the small scale needs to be implemented on an even bigger scale" is a hard sell. How do you convince a state that thinks California is a hell hole that they should implement Californian policies in their own state? This doesn't seem possible to me. If there can be a politically practical solution at all, I think it must be one that can be demonstrated to work in the small scale.
  - frosted-flakes 4y ago
    If I put myself on a starvation diet and still starve to death, it doesn't follow that the solution to hunger is to eat even less. Obviously, the solution to homelessness is homes.
  - yellowapple 4y ago
    > How do you convince a state that thinks California is a hell hole that they should implement Californian policies in their own state? This doesn't seem possible to me. First step would be to identify the specific things that make California a hellhole v. the things California gets right.
larsiusprime 4y ago
Here's a good (critical) review of that book: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-san-fransicko https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-san-fransi...
jasmer 4y ago
Depends on where you are in the world. Helsinki is nothing like SF, neither are anything like NYC or Lisbon.

frosted-flakes 4y ago

Probably because people are free to migrate anywhere within a country's borders, so cities with lots of social services get overrun with a disproportionate amount of people wanting to use them. These sorts of policies need to be implemented at a nation-wide level for them to be truly effective.

tst01234 4y ago
If you implement them nation-wide the only result would be people coming from abroad to enjoy housing-first social services. Unless you are saying the first step towards solving homelessness is the prevention of illegal entry and the mass expulsion of illegal immigrants.
- gsk22 4y ago
  It is orders of magnitude harder to cross the US national border than between states or counties. Either way, I don't understand this idea that we shouldn't care for Americans because what if some non-Americans got in?
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    I get the impression there's a fair chunk of America that feels that way about any sort of government-provided assistance (though more accurately I guess it's "assistance is fine as long as it's to people I approve of).
LarryMullins 4y ago
"Thing that fails in the small scale needs to be implemented on an even bigger scale" is a hard sell. How do you convince a state that thinks California is a hell hole that they should implement Californian policies in their own state? This doesn't seem possible to me. If there can be a politically practical solution at all, I think it must be one that can be demonstrated to work in the small scale.
- frosted-flakes 4y ago
  If I put myself on a starvation diet and still starve to death, it doesn't follow that the solution to hunger is to eat even less. Obviously, the solution to homelessness is homes.
- yellowapple 4y ago
  > How do you convince a state that thinks California is a hell hole that they should implement Californian policies in their own state? This doesn't seem possible to me. First step would be to identify the specific things that make California a hellhole v. the things California gets right.

larsiusprime 4y ago

Here's a good (critical) review of that book: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-san-fransicko https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-san-fransi...

jasmer 4y ago

Depends on where you are in the world. Helsinki is nothing like SF, neither are anything like NYC or Lisbon.