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The loss of the distinction between the deserving poor and the undeserving poor also caused many people who would’ve supported help to one of those to just thro

The loss of the distinction between the deserving poor and the undeserving poor also caused many people who would’ve supported help to one of those to just throw their hands in the air and forget the whole thing.

superorganism 4y ago
Well don't leave us hanging, how do you make the distinction?
pessimizer 4y ago
That's what I'm talking about. The ability to hold back aid from the "undeserving" becomes a lot less important to people who live in relative homogeneity racially and culturally. Absolutely no surprise to me that Utah is relatively socialist internally while being on the extreme right externally.
- chimeracoder 4y ago
  > Absolutely no surprise to me that Utah is relatively socialist internally while being on the extreme right externally. Utah is also heavily Mormon, which complicates things. Mormons have a lot of beliefs that sound fairly socialist when you describe them in practice, except that they believe the church should be the administrator of those policies. Mormons also heavily oppose abortion, which makes them a nearly single-issue voting bloc, making Utah deep red in a purely partisan sense. If somehow abortion were a non-issue - like, overnight, everyone somehow magically forgot abortion even existed - it's not hard to imagine Mormons being one of the least conservative Christian denominations. (Yes, I'm aware that other Christians don't consider the LDS to be Christians, but that's beside the point)
  - yellowapple 4y ago
    Mormon conservatism encompasses a lot more than just abortion. Discrimination by gender and orientation are still doctrine, and to some extent so is discrimination by race. A lot of hardline religious sects superficially look like socialism if you only examine their in-groups and entirely ignore their out-groups. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is no exception.
8note 4y ago
It's gone for good reason. "Deserving" tends to mean "white" and "Undeserving" tends to mean "Black"

superorganism 4y ago

Well don't leave us hanging, how do you make the distinction?

pessimizer 4y ago

That's what I'm talking about. The ability to hold back aid from the "undeserving" becomes a lot less important to people who live in relative homogeneity racially and culturally. Absolutely no surprise to me that Utah is relatively socialist internally while being on the extreme right externally.

chimeracoder 4y ago
> Absolutely no surprise to me that Utah is relatively socialist internally while being on the extreme right externally. Utah is also heavily Mormon, which complicates things. Mormons have a lot of beliefs that sound fairly socialist when you describe them in practice, except that they believe the church should be the administrator of those policies. Mormons also heavily oppose abortion, which makes them a nearly single-issue voting bloc, making Utah deep red in a purely partisan sense. If somehow abortion were a non-issue - like, overnight, everyone somehow magically forgot abortion even existed - it's not hard to imagine Mormons being one of the least conservative Christian denominations. (Yes, I'm aware that other Christians don't consider the LDS to be Christians, but that's beside the point)
- yellowapple 4y ago
  Mormon conservatism encompasses a lot more than just abortion. Discrimination by gender and orientation are still doctrine, and to some extent so is discrimination by race. A lot of hardline religious sects superficially look like socialism if you only examine their in-groups and entirely ignore their out-groups. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is no exception.

8note 4y ago

It's gone for good reason. "Deserving" tends to mean "white" and "Undeserving" tends to mean "Black"