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Great. I count myself amongst this group. I used to regularly do a bit of work across weekends, and stay late or start early to always be the one willing to a

Great. I count myself amongst this group. I used to regularly do a bit of work across weekends, and stay late or start early to always be the one willing to adjust for the timezone differences of other people. I no longer do this, I work my set hours, with an hour buffer in the morning and afternoon (8AM-6PM local time) and I don't work weekends. My weekends are now sacrosanct and used for social hobbies, spending time with my family, and relaxing. I can very well see a 3-5% reduction in my work hours vs 2019, and probably a 30% reduction compared to 2016, when I had a burn out episode and changed career paths. It turns out it's not sustainable to spend every waking hour working or thinking about work and that people need to have lives outside work. This is even more important for /men/ in particular, because we have now learned about the harm caused by absentee fathers, and it is no longer acceptable for conscientious men to neglect their families in favor of work, as was the way things were done for the last 60+ years. Sounds like companies should suck up the "loss of money" from not being able to overwork people and hire more. There's plenty of people who would like these high-earning jobs, and our society cannot continue to chew up and spit out people, leaving broken homes and mental health crises in its wake so some investor can make an extra 20 cents in dividends a quarter.

godzillabrennus 4y ago
Hiring people in this current climate hurts shareholder value. It’ll be a long winter before that changes. Be prepared for employers to start blaming everyone internally when metrics aren’t met.
- hirako2000 4y ago
  It will hurt even more if they don't hire and see those wages and demands for sustainable work loads as inconveniences to get rid of.
tomp 4y ago
> we have now learned about the harm caused by absentee fathers Can you expand on this, references etc? Up until now, I've only heard about the (substantial) harm caused by fatherless homes / single mothers (maybe single parents? not sure, it might be too small sample for single fathers).
- oneoff786 4y ago
  I recall reading studies that suggested it was not the quantity of time spent with parents but the quality that seemed to correlate with long term results. Provided the actual needs of the child were taken care of by someone.
- klyrs 4y ago
  Traditionally the term absentee refers to a parent who is completely absent, or nearly so. However, there's a growing body of research into parents who are emotionally distant or unavailable. Especially as phones have enabled us to be present at work 24/7, which necessarily comes at cost to those who are physically present but ignored, it makes sense to examine the impact that can have on children. A few hits for "emotionally distant parent research" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36176325/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36176325/ https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14330237.2015.1021513?journalCode=rpia20 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14330237.2015.10... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319684673_Emotional_Availability_of_Parents_and_Psychological_Health_What_Does_Mediate_This_Relationship https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319684673_Emotional...
mshake2 4y ago
i'm tired of creating a disproportionate amount of value and reaping the same rewards and allowances as everyone else because anything more would be seen as unfair. no thanks. if the value i'm creating isn't directly correlated with my earnings, i'll go do something else.
- gisely 4y ago
  You do that John Galt.
- jrace 4y ago
  I am feeling the same way. Finished last year with the exact same performance review scores as my coworker.. someone who admits to never checking emails, ignoring assigned bugs, and refusing to check the ticketing system. After hearing this person bragging about 'being an asshole stops people from asking him to do work' and the getting the same raise I did has caused me to rethink my work methods. It is difficult to change, but being a hard working people pleaser seems to be no longer valued.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    It never was valued. The circumstances didn’t change; the collective delusion is simply evaporating (“quiet quitting” colloquially). It was always about shareholder value. You don’t get paid for working hard, you get paid at the intersection of what you can project as value delivered and what comp your employer is willing to part with to retain your role. And if you’re working hard and not seeing more comp, why are you working hard? If you enjoy it, by all means, proceed. But don’t be shocked when others are optimizing for a paycheck alone. It is an economically rational decision.

godzillabrennus 4y ago

Hiring people in this current climate hurts shareholder value. It’ll be a long winter before that changes. Be prepared for employers to start blaming everyone internally when metrics aren’t met.

hirako2000 4y ago
It will hurt even more if they don't hire and see those wages and demands for sustainable work loads as inconveniences to get rid of.

tomp 4y ago

> we have now learned about the harm caused by absentee fathers Can you expand on this, references etc? Up until now, I've only heard about the (substantial) harm caused by fatherless homes / single mothers (maybe single parents? not sure, it might be too small sample for single fathers).

oneoff786 4y ago
I recall reading studies that suggested it was not the quantity of time spent with parents but the quality that seemed to correlate with long term results. Provided the actual needs of the child were taken care of by someone.
klyrs 4y ago
Traditionally the term absentee refers to a parent who is completely absent, or nearly so. However, there's a growing body of research into parents who are emotionally distant or unavailable. Especially as phones have enabled us to be present at work 24/7, which necessarily comes at cost to those who are physically present but ignored, it makes sense to examine the impact that can have on children. A few hits for "emotionally distant parent research" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36176325/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36176325/ https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14330237.2015.1021513?journalCode=rpia20 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14330237.2015.10... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319684673_Emotional_Availability_of_Parents_and_Psychological_Health_What_Does_Mediate_This_Relationship https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319684673_Emotional...

mshake2 4y ago

i'm tired of creating a disproportionate amount of value and reaping the same rewards and allowances as everyone else because anything more would be seen as unfair. no thanks. if the value i'm creating isn't directly correlated with my earnings, i'll go do something else.

gisely 4y ago
You do that John Galt.
jrace 4y ago
I am feeling the same way. Finished last year with the exact same performance review scores as my coworker.. someone who admits to never checking emails, ignoring assigned bugs, and refusing to check the ticketing system. After hearing this person bragging about 'being an asshole stops people from asking him to do work' and the getting the same raise I did has caused me to rethink my work methods. It is difficult to change, but being a hard working people pleaser seems to be no longer valued.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  It never was valued. The circumstances didn’t change; the collective delusion is simply evaporating (“quiet quitting” colloquially). It was always about shareholder value. You don’t get paid for working hard, you get paid at the intersection of what you can project as value delivered and what comp your employer is willing to part with to retain your role. And if you’re working hard and not seeing more comp, why are you working hard? If you enjoy it, by all means, proceed. But don’t be shocked when others are optimizing for a paycheck alone. It is an economically rational decision.