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This in itself is a huge problem and addressing it requires some combination of: (i) regulation backed up with investigations and significant fines for violatio

This in itself is a huge problem and addressing it requires some combination of: (i) regulation backed up with investigations and significant fines for violation; (ii) transparency into pay equity; (iii) corporate action, optimally because it’s the right thing, but pessimistically because you can’t ignore the prior two points.

xyzelement 4y ago
Why is it a huge problem?
- nixgeek 4y ago
  Why is it normal or acceptable that men earn more than women? It’s been studied for a long time and there’s evidence [1] of some closure across recent censuses, but we’re far from done. [1] https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/03/what-is-the-gender-wage-gap-in-your-state.html https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/03/what-is-the-g...
  - bluefirebrand 4y ago
    > Why is it normal It was the norm for generations because women didn't work at all and men were expected to earn all of the money for themselves and their family. We are not as far removed from those days as people would like to think, expecting the attitude to have completely gone away by now is very optimistic. > Why is it acceptable Why would it not be acceptable? Even in a society with zero bias in favor of men in the workplace, it's still possible that men wind up earning more due to other factors than just bias. If men are earning more than women doing the same job while all other factors are the same, then that's unfair. If men are earning more because they are working more hours, or because they are taking more dangerous or undesirable jobs that women choose not to pursue, or if men are choosing higher paid industries more consistently, then that's not unfair. That's economics.
  - xyzelement 4y ago
    I think you misunderstood the poster you replied to. He's not talking about any pay disparity, he's talking about women's preference for high earning men. Obviously plenty of women earn more than plenty of men. They don't, as a rule, chose to marry those men.
  - tomp 4y ago
    Woke people like you see discrimination even where there is none. Even in situations where people are paid by algorithms (i.e. only based on the work they perform, regardless of their sex), men earn more than women because they simply try to earn more (i.e. they optimise for earnings). "Study of Uber drivers finds men earn more than women — for three key reasons" https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-uber-gender-pay-20180709-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-uber-gender-pay-20180... The article above doesn't discuss it, but another reason is that men work more; so for the same hourly wage ("equal pay for equal work"), men would still earn more. https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/06/30/new-report-men-work-longer-hours-than-women/?sh=4026772818b4 https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/06/30/new-repo...
havelhovel 4y ago
The parent comment was arguing that women choose to be with men who earn more than them. This was in no way a data point for wage inequality, which you seem to be implying.

xyzelement 4y ago

Why is it a huge problem?

nixgeek 4y ago
Why is it normal or acceptable that men earn more than women? It’s been studied for a long time and there’s evidence [1] of some closure across recent censuses, but we’re far from done. [1] https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/03/what-is-the-gender-wage-gap-in-your-state.html https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/03/what-is-the-g...
- bluefirebrand 4y ago
  > Why is it normal It was the norm for generations because women didn't work at all and men were expected to earn all of the money for themselves and their family. We are not as far removed from those days as people would like to think, expecting the attitude to have completely gone away by now is very optimistic. > Why is it acceptable Why would it not be acceptable? Even in a society with zero bias in favor of men in the workplace, it's still possible that men wind up earning more due to other factors than just bias. If men are earning more than women doing the same job while all other factors are the same, then that's unfair. If men are earning more because they are working more hours, or because they are taking more dangerous or undesirable jobs that women choose not to pursue, or if men are choosing higher paid industries more consistently, then that's not unfair. That's economics.
- xyzelement 4y ago
  I think you misunderstood the poster you replied to. He's not talking about any pay disparity, he's talking about women's preference for high earning men. Obviously plenty of women earn more than plenty of men. They don't, as a rule, chose to marry those men.
- tomp 4y ago
  Woke people like you see discrimination even where there is none. Even in situations where people are paid by algorithms (i.e. only based on the work they perform, regardless of their sex), men earn more than women because they simply try to earn more (i.e. they optimise for earnings). "Study of Uber drivers finds men earn more than women — for three key reasons" https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-uber-gender-pay-20180709-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-uber-gender-pay-20180... The article above doesn't discuss it, but another reason is that men work more; so for the same hourly wage ("equal pay for equal work"), men would still earn more. https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/06/30/new-report-men-work-longer-hours-than-women/?sh=4026772818b4 https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/06/30/new-repo...

havelhovel 4y ago

The parent comment was arguing that women choose to be with men who earn more than them. This was in no way a data point for wage inequality, which you seem to be implying.