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Every time anything goes wrong in any public administration, people rush to assume it's a "starve the beast" tactic even when there's no evidence whatsoever it'

Every time anything goes wrong in any public administration, people rush to assume it's a "starve the beast" tactic even when there's no evidence whatsoever it's the case. You're making a lot of very confident assertions in that post without bothering to back them up.

unity1001 4y ago
> Every time anything goes wrong in any public administration, people rush to assume it's a "starve the beast" tactic People rush to assume that because they have seen it many times before.
danaris 4y ago
If a public administration is having trouble and it is poorly funded, then at this point I think the burden of proof is on the one trying to claim the poor funding is not a) the cause of the poor performance, and b) a deliberate tactic on the part of those who want to take the money for themselves and their corporate friends.
- luckylion 4y ago
  The problem is that people simply claim that something is poorly funded without ever looking at the data, and then march on from that point. Here's some data: https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm It's weird, like someone once had a flat tire on their bike and now whenever someone says that their bike is broken, they can't imagine it to be anything but a flat tire. Brakes aren't working? That's because you have a flat tire. Pedals are falling off? It's just a trick to confuse you so you don't notice the flat tire. Handlebar is backwards? You've just been trained to ignore the flat tire.
  - danaris 4y ago
    It is well-known that the US spends vastly more than other countries on health care for, at best, similar outcomes. And not only is most of our healthcare spending not actually through public institutions, the absolutely awful way our public and private healthcare institutions are set up actively prevents reasonable levels of spending. Pointing at healthcare spending in the US and saying "ha-HA! that proves that public institutions aren't poorly funded!" really says much more about you than it does about healthcare, or public institutions.
    - luckylion 4y ago
      Except I wasn't, I was talking about Germany, rank two in the list of spending (in this whole thread which nobody bothers to read, apparently). Only Germany's education system doesn't leave med students in debt, and they don't earn hundreds of thousands of euros a year, you don't get giant hospital bills etc. Seriously, not every post on this site is talking about the US, especially when they specify otherwise. Americans only knowing their system and then extrapolating and assuming that it's the exact same everywhere one the planet is tiring.
      - unity1001 4y ago
        > rank two in the list of spending And as long as the privatization continues, it will keep staying at rank two or rising. Looking at the state of a public healthcare system that is in the process of being privatized is not an argument for anything.

unity1001 4y ago

> Every time anything goes wrong in any public administration, people rush to assume it's a "starve the beast" tactic People rush to assume that because they have seen it many times before.

danaris 4y ago

If a public administration is having trouble and it is poorly funded, then at this point I think the burden of proof is on the one trying to claim the poor funding is not a) the cause of the poor performance, and b) a deliberate tactic on the part of those who want to take the money for themselves and their corporate friends.

luckylion 4y ago
The problem is that people simply claim that something is poorly funded without ever looking at the data, and then march on from that point. Here's some data: https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm It's weird, like someone once had a flat tire on their bike and now whenever someone says that their bike is broken, they can't imagine it to be anything but a flat tire. Brakes aren't working? That's because you have a flat tire. Pedals are falling off? It's just a trick to confuse you so you don't notice the flat tire. Handlebar is backwards? You've just been trained to ignore the flat tire.
- danaris 4y ago
  It is well-known that the US spends vastly more than other countries on health care for, at best, similar outcomes. And not only is most of our healthcare spending not actually through public institutions, the absolutely awful way our public and private healthcare institutions are set up actively prevents reasonable levels of spending. Pointing at healthcare spending in the US and saying "ha-HA! that proves that public institutions aren't poorly funded!" really says much more about you than it does about healthcare, or public institutions.
  - luckylion 4y ago
    Except I wasn't, I was talking about Germany, rank two in the list of spending (in this whole thread which nobody bothers to read, apparently). Only Germany's education system doesn't leave med students in debt, and they don't earn hundreds of thousands of euros a year, you don't get giant hospital bills etc. Seriously, not every post on this site is talking about the US, especially when they specify otherwise. Americans only knowing their system and then extrapolating and assuming that it's the exact same everywhere one the planet is tiring.
    - unity1001 4y ago
      > rank two in the list of spending And as long as the privatization continues, it will keep staying at rank two or rising. Looking at the state of a public healthcare system that is in the process of being privatized is not an argument for anything.