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For context, this is Project Veritas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas > Project Veritas is an Ameri

by hnbad 4y ago

For context, this is Project Veritas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas > Project Veritas is an American far-right activist group founded by James O'Keefe in 2010. The group produces deceptively edited videos of its undercover operations, which use secret recordings in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups. Project Veritas also uses entrapment to generate bad publicity for its targets, and has propagated disinformation and conspiracy theories in its videos and operations. Regardless of what you may think of the recordings themselves, the presentation and editing is often extremely misleading and credentials of the recorded individuals are often overstated to help create a narrative.

LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
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willcipriano 4y ago
For more context, they consistently win defamation lawsuits and the chorus of "this is out of context" folks never seem to be able to provide any. Look up "Project Veritas RETRACTO" on YouTube to find their ongoing series where mainstream journalists have been forced to retract statements made about Veritas hundreds of times due to them being inaccurate.
robswc 4y ago
Something like this is always posted whenever Project Veritas comes up. I agree they're mostly finding things for outrage culture and are generally annoying... sometimes they uncover legitimately concerning things though. That said, here's an example of why I dislike this "argument." Joseph Bruno, Dean of Students, Francis W. Parker School: “So, I’ve been the Dean for four years. During Pride -- we do a Pride Week every year -- I had our LGBTQ+ Health Center come in [to the classroom]. They were passing around butt-plugs and dildos to my students -- talking about queer sex, using lube versus using spit.” The school's response: A school spokesperson said the dean was “filmed without his knowledge or permission while describing one example of our inclusive, LGBTQ+ affirming a comprehensive approach to sex education. Veritas deceptively edited the video with malicious intent.” [1] Notice, they say absolutely _nothing_ about whether they [2] pass around butt-plugs and dildos. If anything, their statement lends to the idea that they do in fact do that. I do not care if the Dean was "misled" or the video is "edited" unless that disproves what the Dean claimed. My bar isn't that high at all. -- [1] : https://www.wane.com/news/private-school-defends-dean-after-project-veritas-claims-sex-toys-shown-in-class-discussion/ https://www.wane.com/news/private-school-defends-dean-after-... [2] : edit, as some believe my original wording (do give out sex toys to kids) was disingenuous
- noibl 4y ago
  Your substitution... - passing around butt-plugs and dildos to my students + [giving] out sex toys to kids ...is an example of exactly the kind of transcription error via which controversy ignites into hysteria. If we are to interpret your intent charitably, we must also charitably assume that abstract anatomical models (sex toys) are a useful and valid demonstration tool in the context of sexual health education.
  - hnbad 4y ago
    FWIW most dildos aimed at women are not actually "anatomical models" and would not be recognizable if you've never seen one before. Likewise, butt-plugs may sound kinky but they don't look particularly imposing unless you deliberately go for extreme sizes. Also presumably much like condoms often handed out to students in sex ed, it's safe to assume these aren't used. The "leak" deliberately evokes the image of a queer predator handing out their own massive butt plugs and veiny rubber dongs to children to seduce them into sexual acts. The video is not just supposed to spark outrage with extreme conservatives who think giving "children" (I can't find any source specifying the age so this could be anything from 6 to 17) an opportunity to ask questions about sex is child abuse (or "grooming", "sexualizing children", etc), but also moderates who assume the worst because of how this "revelation" is reported on (after all, if it makes headlines, it must be bad).
    - noibl 4y ago
      Several good points of clarification. My own phrasing leaned heavily on "abstract".
  - robswc 4y ago
    I was actually trying to be _less_ polarizing in my phrasing. The issue isn't that ppl are under the impression they got to take these items home. The issue is that there is 0 reason on earth for schools to be introducing kids to butt-plugs and passing them around like its show and tell.
- tanaros 4y ago
hulitu 4y ago
> in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups. Project Veritas also uses entrapment to generate bad publicity for its targets, and has propagated disinformation and conspiracy theories in its videos and operations. This looks like normal journalism.
horns4lyfe 4y ago
That’s a very generous reading of what far right means. They’re not fascists.

by hnbad 4y ago

LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago

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willcipriano 4y ago

For more context, they consistently win defamation lawsuits and the chorus of "this is out of context" folks never seem to be able to provide any. Look up "Project Veritas RETRACTO" on YouTube to find their ongoing series where mainstream journalists have been forced to retract statements made about Veritas hundreds of times due to them being inaccurate.

robswc 4y ago

Something like this is always posted whenever Project Veritas comes up. I agree they're mostly finding things for outrage culture and are generally annoying... sometimes they uncover legitimately concerning things though. That said, here's an example of why I dislike this "argument." Joseph Bruno, Dean of Students, Francis W. Parker School: “So, I’ve been the Dean for four years. During Pride -- we do a Pride Week every year -- I had our LGBTQ+ Health Center come in [to the classroom]. They were passing around butt-plugs and dildos to my students -- talking about queer sex, using lube versus using spit.” The school's response: A school spokesperson said the dean was “filmed without his knowledge or permission while describing one example of our inclusive, LGBTQ+ affirming a comprehensive approach to sex education. Veritas deceptively edited the video with malicious intent.” [1] Notice, they say absolutely _nothing_ about whether they [2] pass around butt-plugs and dildos. If anything, their statement lends to the idea that they do in fact do that. I do not care if the Dean was "misled" or the video is "edited" unless that disproves what the Dean claimed. My bar isn't that high at all. -- [1] : https://www.wane.com/news/private-school-defends-dean-after-project-veritas-claims-sex-toys-shown-in-class-discussion/ https://www.wane.com/news/private-school-defends-dean-after-... [2] : edit, as some believe my original wording (do give out sex toys to kids) was disingenuous

noibl 4y ago
Your substitution... - passing around butt-plugs and dildos to my students + [giving] out sex toys to kids ...is an example of exactly the kind of transcription error via which controversy ignites into hysteria. If we are to interpret your intent charitably, we must also charitably assume that abstract anatomical models (sex toys) are a useful and valid demonstration tool in the context of sexual health education.
- hnbad 4y ago
  FWIW most dildos aimed at women are not actually "anatomical models" and would not be recognizable if you've never seen one before. Likewise, butt-plugs may sound kinky but they don't look particularly imposing unless you deliberately go for extreme sizes. Also presumably much like condoms often handed out to students in sex ed, it's safe to assume these aren't used. The "leak" deliberately evokes the image of a queer predator handing out their own massive butt plugs and veiny rubber dongs to children to seduce them into sexual acts. The video is not just supposed to spark outrage with extreme conservatives who think giving "children" (I can't find any source specifying the age so this could be anything from 6 to 17) an opportunity to ask questions about sex is child abuse (or "grooming", "sexualizing children", etc), but also moderates who assume the worst because of how this "revelation" is reported on (after all, if it makes headlines, it must be bad).
  - noibl 4y ago
    Several good points of clarification. My own phrasing leaned heavily on "abstract".
- robswc 4y ago
  I was actually trying to be _less_ polarizing in my phrasing. The issue isn't that ppl are under the impression they got to take these items home. The issue is that there is 0 reason on earth for schools to be introducing kids to butt-plugs and passing them around like its show and tell.
tanaros 4y ago

hulitu 4y ago

> in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups. Project Veritas also uses entrapment to generate bad publicity for its targets, and has propagated disinformation and conspiracy theories in its videos and operations. This looks like normal journalism.

horns4lyfe 4y ago

That’s a very generous reading of what far right means. They’re not fascists.