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Perhaps certain consumer electronics should come with a label "Programmed by Humans", such as the "Free-Range/Cage-Free" labels.

albert_e 4y ago
Was thinking exactly the same thing "No GMO"!
- ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
  Asked ChatGPT what is the difference between chicken eggs and cow eggs, they answered: "Chicken eggs and cow eggs are produced by different animals and have some notable differences. Chicken eggs are much smaller than cow eggs and have a smooth, hard shell. Cow eggs, on the other hand, are much larger and have a thicker, bumpy shell. Additionally, chicken eggs are typically used for human consumption, while cow eggs are not." then I followed up with how to make an omelette from cow eggs, they answered: "To make an omelette from cow eggs, you will need the following ingredients: 2-3 cow eggs Salt and pepper, to taste 1 tablespoon of butter or oil Instructions: 1. Crack the eggs into a bowl and beat them together with a fork or whisk. ... (general omelette steps) 7. Serve immediately and enjoy! Note: cow eggs may be larger than chicken eggs, so adjust the amount of eggs you use accordingly." Technically correct, hard to argue. Perhaps the AI label should specify "Programmed by Pattern Matching: No general understanding or common reason involved".
  - olddustytrail 4y ago
    Not technically accurate at all! Cow eggs are much smaller than chicken eggs.
    - ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
      Haha, apparently yes, didn't look up, "in a dairy cow, each ovary is approximately 1.5 inches (38.1 mm) long and 3/4 inch (19.05 mm) in diameter" [1] with the oocytes around 115 micrometers, whereas a large hen would produce eggs around 2.44 in (62 mm) length and 1.69 in (43 mm) diameter [2]. [1] https://www.thecattlesite.com/articles/1031/anatomy-of-the-cows-reproductive-tract https://www.thecattlesite.com/articles/1031/anatomy-of-the-c... [2] https://brinsea.co.uk/latest/resource-centre/egg-sizes https://brinsea.co.uk/latest/resource-centre/egg-sizes
      - olddustytrail 4y ago
        Of course, that got me wondering what animal has the largest eggs. Apparently it's the whale shark. Good pub quiz question!
        ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
        "Although [whale sharks] produce eggs, they don't lay them. Instead, the young hatch while still in the female's body and are born as miniature adults. This is known as ovoviviparity." [1] The More You Know. So, technically, the largest egg, as in laid egg, is the ostrich's (around 6 inches), although, the largest egg in relation to body size belongs to the kiwi (25%) [2]. For more eggs facts press 1. [1] https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/do-sharks-lay-eggs.html https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/do-sharks-lay-eggs.html [2] https://savethekiwi.nz/about-kiwi/kiwi-facts/enormous-egg https://savethekiwi.nz/about-kiwi/kiwi-facts/enormous-egg
vagabund 4y ago
It's funny seeing the same people who blithely told blue collar workers to "just learn how to code" now act like luddites when innovation comes for their skillset. Just learn how to be a plumber.
- ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
  Asked ChatGPT: "George's mother has 4 children: John, Mary, and Tom. What is the name of the fourth child?", they answered: "The fourth child's name is not given in the information provided." and even, after rephrasing, "The name of the third child is not given in the statement 'George's mom has 3 children: John and Mary.' So, it's impossible to say what is the name of the 3rd child." Not sure whose skillset is being threatened, 5-year-olds? https://github.com/giuven95/chatgpt-failures https://github.com/giuven95/chatgpt-failures has more failures, some were fixed, laughed a bit at: me: "write a sentence ending with the letter s" ChatGPT: "The cat's fur was as soft as a feather."
  - vagabund 4y ago
    1) The design here is meaningfully different from chatGPT. Moderately accurate diff models are an important step in "closing the loop" for automated self-improvement. Read the ELM paper if you haven't, it's great. 2) These cherry-picked gotchas are the exact responses I'm referring to. Even in its current form, chatGPT is an incredibly useful resource, and if your reaction to it is to smugly point out its flaws, that speaks more to your own mental rigidity than to the limitations of the model. At the very least, "centaur" workflows will replace raw coding, and in the process devalue much of developers' expertise at the margin. That's already underway.
    - ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
      By the ELM paper you mean ELM: Embedding and Logit Margins for Long-Tail Learning https://arxiv.org/abs/2204.13208 https://arxiv.org/abs/2204.13208 ? The gotchas point that this tool unable to understand the letter s and more is just that, a tool, a fancy hammer, in no way it is an arm, and even less it is a brain-mind-agent knowing which nail to hammer and how that nail will fit in the larger picture. And as any tool, it comes with its own downsides. Sure, some sweatshops will be replaced by some even more middle managers managing themselves and the increase of the shareholder profit will continue. The completely messed up state of the world is not a technological issue and will not be solved by technology.
dvngnt_ 4y ago
yeah I want human compilers none of that GCC crap
- ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
  You say that, but human compilers would have caught the Mars Climate Orbiter units mismatch [1] or the Boeing 737 Max bug [2]. One of the more luminous story in the history of computers is how Margaret Hamilton predicted years before the moon landing the risk of her own "priority display" innovation [3], allowing her to mitigate accordingly and make the landing a success. There is a price to be paid for raising the abstraction level (even beyond the gigabytes of RAM that apparently I must use to render this textbox). Yes, we can automate systems, in certain aspects we can even externalize some decision-making: is this a good apple or a bad apple, should the car break or take a left, but when the chips are down, we are rather far from any externalization of reasoning, meta-reasoning, higher-order thinking, and so forth. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#Cause_of_failure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#Cause_of_... [2] "One way to see the MCAS problem is that the system took too much control from the pilots, exacerbated by Boeing’s lack of communication about its behavior. But another way, McClellan suggests, is to say that the software relied too much on pilot action, and in that case, the problem is that the MCAS was not designed for triply redundant automatic operation." https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/03/boeing-737-max-8-safe-how-faa-tested-its-software/584848 https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/03/boein... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(software_engineer)#Apollo_program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(software_en...

albert_e 4y ago

Was thinking exactly the same thing "No GMO"!

ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
Asked ChatGPT what is the difference between chicken eggs and cow eggs, they answered: "Chicken eggs and cow eggs are produced by different animals and have some notable differences. Chicken eggs are much smaller than cow eggs and have a smooth, hard shell. Cow eggs, on the other hand, are much larger and have a thicker, bumpy shell. Additionally, chicken eggs are typically used for human consumption, while cow eggs are not." then I followed up with how to make an omelette from cow eggs, they answered: "To make an omelette from cow eggs, you will need the following ingredients: 2-3 cow eggs Salt and pepper, to taste 1 tablespoon of butter or oil Instructions: 1. Crack the eggs into a bowl and beat them together with a fork or whisk. ... (general omelette steps) 7. Serve immediately and enjoy! Note: cow eggs may be larger than chicken eggs, so adjust the amount of eggs you use accordingly." Technically correct, hard to argue. Perhaps the AI label should specify "Programmed by Pattern Matching: No general understanding or common reason involved".
- olddustytrail 4y ago
  Not technically accurate at all! Cow eggs are much smaller than chicken eggs.
  - ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
    Haha, apparently yes, didn't look up, "in a dairy cow, each ovary is approximately 1.5 inches (38.1 mm) long and 3/4 inch (19.05 mm) in diameter" [1] with the oocytes around 115 micrometers, whereas a large hen would produce eggs around 2.44 in (62 mm) length and 1.69 in (43 mm) diameter [2]. [1] https://www.thecattlesite.com/articles/1031/anatomy-of-the-cows-reproductive-tract https://www.thecattlesite.com/articles/1031/anatomy-of-the-c... [2] https://brinsea.co.uk/latest/resource-centre/egg-sizes https://brinsea.co.uk/latest/resource-centre/egg-sizes
    - olddustytrail 4y ago
      Of course, that got me wondering what animal has the largest eggs. Apparently it's the whale shark. Good pub quiz question!
      - ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
        "Although [whale sharks] produce eggs, they don't lay them. Instead, the young hatch while still in the female's body and are born as miniature adults. This is known as ovoviviparity." [1] The More You Know. So, technically, the largest egg, as in laid egg, is the ostrich's (around 6 inches), although, the largest egg in relation to body size belongs to the kiwi (25%) [2]. For more eggs facts press 1. [1] https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/do-sharks-lay-eggs.html https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/do-sharks-lay-eggs.html [2] https://savethekiwi.nz/about-kiwi/kiwi-facts/enormous-egg https://savethekiwi.nz/about-kiwi/kiwi-facts/enormous-egg

vagabund 4y ago

It's funny seeing the same people who blithely told blue collar workers to "just learn how to code" now act like luddites when innovation comes for their skillset. Just learn how to be a plumber.

ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
Asked ChatGPT: "George's mother has 4 children: John, Mary, and Tom. What is the name of the fourth child?", they answered: "The fourth child's name is not given in the information provided." and even, after rephrasing, "The name of the third child is not given in the statement 'George's mom has 3 children: John and Mary.' So, it's impossible to say what is the name of the 3rd child." Not sure whose skillset is being threatened, 5-year-olds? https://github.com/giuven95/chatgpt-failures https://github.com/giuven95/chatgpt-failures has more failures, some were fixed, laughed a bit at: me: "write a sentence ending with the letter s" ChatGPT: "The cat's fur was as soft as a feather."
- vagabund 4y ago
  1) The design here is meaningfully different from chatGPT. Moderately accurate diff models are an important step in "closing the loop" for automated self-improvement. Read the ELM paper if you haven't, it's great. 2) These cherry-picked gotchas are the exact responses I'm referring to. Even in its current form, chatGPT is an incredibly useful resource, and if your reaction to it is to smugly point out its flaws, that speaks more to your own mental rigidity than to the limitations of the model. At the very least, "centaur" workflows will replace raw coding, and in the process devalue much of developers' expertise at the margin. That's already underway.
  - ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
    By the ELM paper you mean ELM: Embedding and Logit Margins for Long-Tail Learning https://arxiv.org/abs/2204.13208 https://arxiv.org/abs/2204.13208 ? The gotchas point that this tool unable to understand the letter s and more is just that, a tool, a fancy hammer, in no way it is an arm, and even less it is a brain-mind-agent knowing which nail to hammer and how that nail will fit in the larger picture. And as any tool, it comes with its own downsides. Sure, some sweatshops will be replaced by some even more middle managers managing themselves and the increase of the shareholder profit will continue. The completely messed up state of the world is not a technological issue and will not be solved by technology.

dvngnt_ 4y ago

yeah I want human compilers none of that GCC crap

ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
You say that, but human compilers would have caught the Mars Climate Orbiter units mismatch [1] or the Boeing 737 Max bug [2]. One of the more luminous story in the history of computers is how Margaret Hamilton predicted years before the moon landing the risk of her own "priority display" innovation [3], allowing her to mitigate accordingly and make the landing a success. There is a price to be paid for raising the abstraction level (even beyond the gigabytes of RAM that apparently I must use to render this textbox). Yes, we can automate systems, in certain aspects we can even externalize some decision-making: is this a good apple or a bad apple, should the car break or take a left, but when the chips are down, we are rather far from any externalization of reasoning, meta-reasoning, higher-order thinking, and so forth. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#Cause_of_failure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#Cause_of_... [2] "One way to see the MCAS problem is that the system took too much control from the pilots, exacerbated by Boeing’s lack of communication about its behavior. But another way, McClellan suggests, is to say that the software relied too much on pilot action, and in that case, the problem is that the MCAS was not designed for triply redundant automatic operation." https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/03/boeing-737-max-8-safe-how-faa-tested-its-software/584848 https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/03/boein... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(software_engineer)#Apollo_program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(software_en...