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I think you're overestimating code quality currently in big enterprise written entirely by humans. It's adherence to safety regulations that's stopping your ho

I think you're overestimating code quality currently in big enterprise written entirely by humans. It's adherence to safety regulations that's stopping your house burning down at the moment and this responsibility will be there regardless of how the code is written.

RjQoLCOSwiIKfpm 4y ago
I don't think there is adherence to safety regulations. The majority of electronics gets produced in foreign nations far far away. Do you really think they obey the regulations?
- indeyets 4y ago
  they absolutely do. those might be different regulations, but there are some. and there're import control and certifications. and most of all, there's reputation. it still works
- linsomniac 4y ago
  If they're produced in a foreign nation for sale in the US, with a (legitimate) UL sticker, then yes they adhere to those regulations. If we're talking about Kitchen Aid / Whirlpool / Samsung / LG / etc, they're going to design for certification and have them produced in the foreign nation to those specifications. If you're getting random things on Amazon or Alibaba, they definitely may not be produced to those regulations, and you may be risking your insurance coverage if one of those is found to be the source of a fire, as I understand it.
- another-dave 4y ago
  At least in Europe, if you're importing goods for sale, they have to be fit for purpose (including passing any applicable safety standards) regardless of where the product was manufactured. That said, if some vendors are illegally selling products that _don't_ meet safety standards, I'd be doubtful of the GP's claim - that the reason they aren't burning down your house is because of the calibre of software devs working on the product.
tluyben2 4y ago
> I think you're overestimating code quality currently in big enterprise written entirely by humans. On HN, many seem to have interesting ideas about what goes on in the world of programming because they read HN articles and posts and thing everyone is adhering to the high standards advocated on here. It's not only enterprises though; plenty of startups (or small companies that are no longer strictly startups but not enterprise either) who are still running the code from the founders from the day 1 MVP. Held together back hacks and misery, deployed from version25_12_22_xmas_bugfix.zip.

RjQoLCOSwiIKfpm 4y ago

I don't think there is adherence to safety regulations. The majority of electronics gets produced in foreign nations far far away. Do you really think they obey the regulations?

indeyets 4y ago
they absolutely do. those might be different regulations, but there are some. and there're import control and certifications. and most of all, there's reputation. it still works
linsomniac 4y ago
If they're produced in a foreign nation for sale in the US, with a (legitimate) UL sticker, then yes they adhere to those regulations. If we're talking about Kitchen Aid / Whirlpool / Samsung / LG / etc, they're going to design for certification and have them produced in the foreign nation to those specifications. If you're getting random things on Amazon or Alibaba, they definitely may not be produced to those regulations, and you may be risking your insurance coverage if one of those is found to be the source of a fire, as I understand it.
another-dave 4y ago
At least in Europe, if you're importing goods for sale, they have to be fit for purpose (including passing any applicable safety standards) regardless of where the product was manufactured. That said, if some vendors are illegally selling products that _don't_ meet safety standards, I'd be doubtful of the GP's claim - that the reason they aren't burning down your house is because of the calibre of software devs working on the product.

tluyben2 4y ago

> I think you're overestimating code quality currently in big enterprise written entirely by humans. On HN, many seem to have interesting ideas about what goes on in the world of programming because they read HN articles and posts and thing everyone is adhering to the high standards advocated on here. It's not only enterprises though; plenty of startups (or small companies that are no longer strictly startups but not enterprise either) who are still running the code from the founders from the day 1 MVP. Held together back hacks and misery, deployed from version25_12_22_xmas_bugfix.zip.