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>Anecdotally: having had COVID sets you up for being ill much more frequently afterwards. Anything at all that does the rounds and I've got it Anecdotally, sam

>Anecdotally: having had COVID sets you up for being ill much more frequently afterwards. Anything at all that does the rounds and I've got it Anecdotally, same with me. After I got covid a few months back, despite being vaccinated 3 times, I then got the flu a month later which hit me harder than covid, and another month later I find myself saddled with a nasty infection right below the root of one of my molars, which baffled my dentist as the x-ray shows absolutely nothing there a year ago and I have very good dental hygiene. His hypothesis is that covid weakened my immune system enough to allow other "bugs" that would normally be fought by my immune system, to thrive and take hold much faster than normal, including the random tooth infection. Similar with some of my friends, afte they got covid, they were on a marathon of getting sick the whole winter season despite being young, vaccinated, fit and living healthy lifestyles.

ta8645 4y ago
The science is pretty clear that if you both had taken the vaccine, then you would have been protected from outcomes like this.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  I was vaccinated, dingus.
  - ta8645 4y ago
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    - MattPalmer1086 4y ago
      They all died ;)
      - ta8645 4y ago
        Having attended a number of rallies against lockdowns and other government overreactions, where presumably a lot of participants were not vaccinated, I still don't personally know a single person who ever got Covid, let alone died of it. The few second hand accounts that were delivered by word of mouth to me, the people recovered after being sick for a while. Of course, Covid exists and needs to be treated seriously, especially for people with compromised immune systems. But it turns out, it wasn't nearly as deadly a threat to the average person as was initially feared.
        giraffe_lady 4y ago
        > I still don't personally know a single person who ever got Covid If even remotely true, this is simply a statement about your economic standing and social circle. Outside of work, most people I know work low wage service or gig jobs and they all got covid, most multiple times. Seven members of my church died of covid in the first 18 months.
        ta8645 4y ago
        > this is simply a statement about your economic standing and social circle. Well i'm retired, and my brother is still a trucker. We're comfortable, but not rich. > Outside of work, most people I know work low wage service or gig jobs and they all got covid, most multiple times. I suspect the vaccine is to blame for the reinfections, and that years from now it will be confirmed that it had a negative effectiveness. > even members of my church died of covid in the first 18 months. If even remotely true, that says a lot about their advanced age and comorbidities.
        MattPalmer1086 4y ago
        You don't know anyone who got Covid? I am frankly astonished. Most members of my family have had it, multiple times. Most of my colleagues have had it. In fact, the majority of people in the UK have had it at least once. I am an outlier; I haven't had it to my knowledge.
        ta8645 4y ago
      - MattPalmer1086 4y ago
        Well, I guess I deserve the downvotes. Was just trying to be funny.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
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    - dang 4y ago
      Trolling HN like you did here will get you banned, so please don't do it again. And please don't post any more flamewar comments. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - ta8645 4y ago
        Okay. However, I would just like to mention that every honest and straightforward attempt I've made to push back against the prevailing opinion here, has resulted in my comments being flagged and ignored. It's a little frustrating that every conversation about Covid ends up so one-sided on this site. I apologize for letting it get the better of me.
        dang 4y ago
        Yes, it's extremely frustrating to go against prevailing opinion on the internet. The only thing I know of that works is to take responsibility for being extra scrupulous in how you do that. There are some longer past explanations about this here in case it's helpful: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20contrarian%20-dynamic%20-yahoo%20-bentham&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
  - dang 4y ago
    Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes everything worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
fidgewidge 4y ago
Unfortunately this effect is widespread and appears to actually be caused by the vaccine. Anecdotally of our friends who got the shot they complained last year of being sick two, three even four times whilst I got omi once and my gf never. One friend even stated specifically that it was only the vaccinated people in her group where that was happening. The shots trained the immune system against the obsolete 2019 version of the spike protein, but our bodies can't tell the difference between the mutated versions and the original. They spot a SARS-CoV-2 spike and start making the same antibodies they were trained to, but those antibodies aren't fully effective because of the mutations. And unfortunately the body doesn't seem to be able to 'unlearn' this because people keep taking boosters, and/or it may be incapable of unlearning anyway even without boosters. It's a bit unclear. The problem can be seen most clearly in UK government data because they were willing to show data on case rates by vaccine status pre-adjustment, which by the time they stopped publishing the data showed 3x-4x higher rate of COVID infections in the vaccinated cohort and still getting worse. That's why even the headline rates (subject to much invalid data game playing) showed effectiveness start at 95% and fall rapidly as the months went by. Such problems have happened before, pre COVID. Fauci even noted in an interview that this can happen, safety testing is meant to detect it but the process was so accelerated there was much less time to see it than normal.

ta8645 4y ago

The science is pretty clear that if you both had taken the vaccine, then you would have been protected from outcomes like this.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
I was vaccinated, dingus.
- ta8645 4y ago
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  - MattPalmer1086 4y ago
    They all died ;)
    - ta8645 4y ago
      Having attended a number of rallies against lockdowns and other government overreactions, where presumably a lot of participants were not vaccinated, I still don't personally know a single person who ever got Covid, let alone died of it. The few second hand accounts that were delivered by word of mouth to me, the people recovered after being sick for a while. Of course, Covid exists and needs to be treated seriously, especially for people with compromised immune systems. But it turns out, it wasn't nearly as deadly a threat to the average person as was initially feared.
      - giraffe_lady 4y ago
        > I still don't personally know a single person who ever got Covid If even remotely true, this is simply a statement about your economic standing and social circle. Outside of work, most people I know work low wage service or gig jobs and they all got covid, most multiple times. Seven members of my church died of covid in the first 18 months.
        ta8645 4y ago
        > this is simply a statement about your economic standing and social circle. Well i'm retired, and my brother is still a trucker. We're comfortable, but not rich. > Outside of work, most people I know work low wage service or gig jobs and they all got covid, most multiple times. I suspect the vaccine is to blame for the reinfections, and that years from now it will be confirmed that it had a negative effectiveness. > even members of my church died of covid in the first 18 months. If even remotely true, that says a lot about their advanced age and comorbidities.
      - MattPalmer1086 4y ago
        You don't know anyone who got Covid? I am frankly astonished. Most members of my family have had it, multiple times. Most of my colleagues have had it. In fact, the majority of people in the UK have had it at least once. I am an outlier; I haven't had it to my knowledge.
        ta8645 4y ago
    - MattPalmer1086 4y ago
      Well, I guess I deserve the downvotes. Was just trying to be funny.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
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    - deleted 4y ago
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  - dang 4y ago
    Trolling HN like you did here will get you banned, so please don't do it again. And please don't post any more flamewar comments. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - ta8645 4y ago
      Okay. However, I would just like to mention that every honest and straightforward attempt I've made to push back against the prevailing opinion here, has resulted in my comments being flagged and ignored. It's a little frustrating that every conversation about Covid ends up so one-sided on this site. I apologize for letting it get the better of me.
      - dang 4y ago
        Yes, it's extremely frustrating to go against prevailing opinion on the internet. The only thing I know of that works is to take responsibility for being extra scrupulous in how you do that. There are some longer past explanations about this here in case it's helpful: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20contrarian%20-dynamic%20-yahoo%20-bentham&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- dang 4y ago
  Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes everything worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

fidgewidge 4y ago

Unfortunately this effect is widespread and appears to actually be caused by the vaccine. Anecdotally of our friends who got the shot they complained last year of being sick two, three even four times whilst I got omi once and my gf never. One friend even stated specifically that it was only the vaccinated people in her group where that was happening. The shots trained the immune system against the obsolete 2019 version of the spike protein, but our bodies can't tell the difference between the mutated versions and the original. They spot a SARS-CoV-2 spike and start making the same antibodies they were trained to, but those antibodies aren't fully effective because of the mutations. And unfortunately the body doesn't seem to be able to 'unlearn' this because people keep taking boosters, and/or it may be incapable of unlearning anyway even without boosters. It's a bit unclear. The problem can be seen most clearly in UK government data because they were willing to show data on case rates by vaccine status pre-adjustment, which by the time they stopped publishing the data showed 3x-4x higher rate of COVID infections in the vaccinated cohort and still getting worse. That's why even the headline rates (subject to much invalid data game playing) showed effectiveness start at 95% and fall rapidly as the months went by. Such problems have happened before, pre COVID. Fauci even noted in an interview that this can happen, safety testing is meant to detect it but the process was so accelerated there was much less time to see it than normal.