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I know many people who never returned to work. None of them had anything to do with (Long-)Covid. In fact I have not met a single person yet that actually has

I know many people who never returned to work. None of them had anything to do with (Long-)Covid. In fact I have not met a single person yet that actually has "Long Covid", despite it being portrayed as this huge issue that we have to (apparently) deal with. The people who I know left work and never returned are not rich by any means. They simply discovered more joyful things to do than their underpaid shitty jobs beforehand. Some have become full time carers for grandchildren, parents saving more money on nursery than what the grandparent was earning in some awful under appreciated healthcare job, some have created a small lifestyle business during COVID, some have retired early. I am happy for all of them.

DanHulton 4y ago
The scare quotes are unnecessary and disrespectful. Just because you don't have anyone in your network who notices long-term effects of Covid, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The plural of anecdote is not data, and all that. Some counter-anecdotes: In my network, I know someone who is coming up on a year of disability due to long Covid. After their second infection, they just... never got better. Unloading a dishwasher takes too much energy. And I have a personal trainer friend who has told me that of their clients that have had Covid, nearly none of them have returned to their previous levels, even the ones who only had "mild" Covid infections. I'm very glad for your friends and acquaintances who were able to use this opportunity to pursue their dreams in some fashion, but they don't represent the totality of experience here, just because you haven't noticed any examples to the contrary.
- dustedcodes 4y ago
  I put "Long Covid" into quotes in my second sentence because this word is being used in many ways incorrectly as it has a very fluid/blurred meaning for many people. The people who suffer from post viral syndrome often use the correct term as they would have had that diagnosis. I don't think its disrespectful to be honest about the wide stretch of how the term "Long Covid" is being used/misused. I do acknowledge that some people suffer from post viral syndrome.
- kerpotgh 4y ago
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jacquesm 4y ago
Consider the possibility that people no longer feel the need to tell you how they feel because of how you respond.
- hezralig 4y ago
  I have noticed that a lot of western countries have a disfavorable view of personal handicaps and disabilities and sees them as personal failings that they ought to be ashamed of. It wouldn't be surprising if there is a large population of people too ashamed to share a post-COVID condition.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    This is probably on the money. I know more than one person who doesn't want to come across as 'complainer' and who nurse whatever they've got in quiet, sometimes until it is too late. Another part is that there are always people ready to judge you and to state things like 'you must have deserved it', 'karma' or many other ways of saying the same. Finally, admitting weakness is hard.
    - hezralig 4y ago
      I suppose it also opens you up to discrimination within the workplace. I could see many bosses using the thought process of, "Why would you be promoted or be trusted with certain projects if you aren't going to be as productive."

DanHulton 4y ago

The scare quotes are unnecessary and disrespectful. Just because you don't have anyone in your network who notices long-term effects of Covid, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The plural of anecdote is not data, and all that. Some counter-anecdotes: In my network, I know someone who is coming up on a year of disability due to long Covid. After their second infection, they just... never got better. Unloading a dishwasher takes too much energy. And I have a personal trainer friend who has told me that of their clients that have had Covid, nearly none of them have returned to their previous levels, even the ones who only had "mild" Covid infections. I'm very glad for your friends and acquaintances who were able to use this opportunity to pursue their dreams in some fashion, but they don't represent the totality of experience here, just because you haven't noticed any examples to the contrary.

dustedcodes 4y ago
I put "Long Covid" into quotes in my second sentence because this word is being used in many ways incorrectly as it has a very fluid/blurred meaning for many people. The people who suffer from post viral syndrome often use the correct term as they would have had that diagnosis. I don't think its disrespectful to be honest about the wide stretch of how the term "Long Covid" is being used/misused. I do acknowledge that some people suffer from post viral syndrome.
kerpotgh 4y ago
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jacquesm 4y ago

Consider the possibility that people no longer feel the need to tell you how they feel because of how you respond.

hezralig 4y ago
I have noticed that a lot of western countries have a disfavorable view of personal handicaps and disabilities and sees them as personal failings that they ought to be ashamed of. It wouldn't be surprising if there is a large population of people too ashamed to share a post-COVID condition.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  This is probably on the money. I know more than one person who doesn't want to come across as 'complainer' and who nurse whatever they've got in quiet, sometimes until it is too late. Another part is that there are always people ready to judge you and to state things like 'you must have deserved it', 'karma' or many other ways of saying the same. Finally, admitting weakness is hard.
  - hezralig 4y ago
    I suppose it also opens you up to discrimination within the workplace. I could see many bosses using the thought process of, "Why would you be promoted or be trusted with certain projects if you aren't going to be as productive."