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Its something to reflect on, that those small nonmainstream groups, communities, cultures that you might be a part of everyday are mostly completely empherial.

Its something to reflect on, that those small nonmainstream groups, communities, cultures that you might be a part of everyday are mostly completely empherial. Records of what people did and said are bound to be lost, noone is going to curate or summerise the history. I faced this when yahoo groups was deleted. I found many messgae boards of a the transient 'teaching abroad in japan' local communities from ten or more years earlier, before facebook. it was so strange to think all these people had the same conversations and questions and experiences, but there was no connection between that community at that moment and the one when I was part of it. I suppose the history in the facebook pages will be even more easily lost, and then the discord groups or whatever they're using these days will be lost even after a single year..

throwanem 4y ago
Most things that have ever happened were likewise ephemeral; mostly, what we have is what those who came before considered worth significant effort of preservation. It may also be worth reflecting on the hubris, evident in retrospect, which underlay the idea that in the age of the Internet this would magically cease to be the case.
- courgette 4y ago
  Excellent point, I seen in the article some regret about the non availability on the way back machine. At some point information worth preserving must be preserved by people who care about it and understand it. We can’t trust random corporations to do that on the “real” long run. Hasbro will be bought by something else, and that might be a company that don’t give a damn about MTG. I’ve played a lot of MTG and I know the community sonehow. I’m surprised that nobody has a dump of those articles.
onetrickwolf 4y ago
I'd like to see something like torrenting for websites. Just a way that if a certain site is important to you, you could seed it yourself and 1. Help with the hosting costs and 2. Preserve it if the original hosts decides to take it down or change it.
- ajot 4y ago
  Something like IPFS? https://ipfs.tech/ https://ipfs.tech/
ascotan 4y ago
I think that as technologists we tend to assume that people in the future will come and build on our work and make better things. However, we have by sad experience seen that, technology and information simply gets lost unless some effort was make to preserve it. We only build on the things that someone took time to preserve - everything else disappears.

throwanem 4y ago

Most things that have ever happened were likewise ephemeral; mostly, what we have is what those who came before considered worth significant effort of preservation. It may also be worth reflecting on the hubris, evident in retrospect, which underlay the idea that in the age of the Internet this would magically cease to be the case.

courgette 4y ago
Excellent point, I seen in the article some regret about the non availability on the way back machine. At some point information worth preserving must be preserved by people who care about it and understand it. We can’t trust random corporations to do that on the “real” long run. Hasbro will be bought by something else, and that might be a company that don’t give a damn about MTG. I’ve played a lot of MTG and I know the community sonehow. I’m surprised that nobody has a dump of those articles.

onetrickwolf 4y ago

I'd like to see something like torrenting for websites. Just a way that if a certain site is important to you, you could seed it yourself and 1. Help with the hosting costs and 2. Preserve it if the original hosts decides to take it down or change it.

ajot 4y ago
Something like IPFS? https://ipfs.tech/ https://ipfs.tech/

ascotan 4y ago

I think that as technologists we tend to assume that people in the future will come and build on our work and make better things. However, we have by sad experience seen that, technology and information simply gets lost unless some effort was make to preserve it. We only build on the things that someone took time to preserve - everything else disappears.