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I don't understand the use of that level of force for a traffic stop. That being said most of those stories of people unlawfully killed by the police have in co

by cm2187 4y ago

I don't understand the use of that level of force for a traffic stop. That being said most of those stories of people unlawfully killed by the police have in common that they started with resisting arrest which is not a great idea in the first place, it invites the use of more force and the suspicion by the police that they are facing a criminal, and that's when the fuckups happen.

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generj 4y ago
He didn’t resist arrest, he was trying to comply with impossible orders. They then immediately escalated to pepper spraying him, except they screwed up and got themselves instead (which enraged them). They also Tazered him and scared him badly enough he stopped attempting to comply and instead ran for his life. I haven’t watched the videos, but from commentary I understand he repeatedly tries to de-escalate the situation and is bewildered at how angry the cops are at him. Police department has subsequently said there wasn’t even a valid reason to pull him over.
- ed_onlooker 4y ago
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  - generj 4y ago
    I trust those who have summarized the video(s). I have little interest in viewing an extended violent murder of a man. It’s not a matter of spending time to watch them, I don’t deal well emotionally with videos like this. I didn’t watch ISIS execution videos either, but I trust there isn’t some conspiracy from everyone who did and summarized them.
  - Volundr 4y ago
    So what did the comment get wrong that would've been corrected by watching the video? If nothing then what does yours accomplish?
- the_only_law 4y ago
  Does police brutality have a good chance of affecting a case in such a way where it could potentially be thrown out. I saw a video recently of an incident where the police caught a murderer but then proceeded to kick the hell out of him while he was already down and no longer a threat while their police helicopter recorded the whole thing. Come to find out it was originated because the guy had killed a cop, but I was curious if there was a chance he’d walk free because people in position of authority can’t keep their emotions in check.
  - dogma1138 4y ago
    Depends on the case and charges. In that case probably not since the charges are completely unrelated to the incident. It also depends on what evidence there is and how important is the testimony of the arresting officers to the case. In general the prosecution would likely try to suppress the beating and the defense would have to make a case on why the police misconduct was relevant in this case. Violation of Miranda Rights is also not a cause to get a case thrown out categorically it however can lead to any evidence such as an admission of guilt or any information the police has gained from the subject after their arrest being inadmissible. TLDR if you are pulled over and beaten for no reason and then charged with resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer no prosecutor would likely take that to court. If you got arrested for murder and there is a ton of other evidence there likely won’t be any impact. However you can still take the police to court in a civil law suit.
costanostra989 4y ago
If this is the first thought you felt the need to share after watching a helpless man crying for his mother being relentlessly beaten to death then you really need to re-evaluate your values and keep them to yourself in the meantime. And before you reply that you’re “just sharing practical advice”, no what you’re actually doing is immediately taking the focus off of the police’s actions and putting blame onto the victim, and somehow making the discussion about his actions and what he did wrong. Not to mention reducing plain-as-day murder to simply a “fuckup”.
- janalsncm 4y ago
  I would say a “fuckup” is I overslept my job interview not I killed another human being.
janalsncm 4y ago
Police are professionals not wild animals. Their job involves taking people into custody, some of whom may be resisting. If they can’t accomplish that without killing the suspect they are not qualified.
xenospn 4y ago
Breonna Taylor was sleeping.
- spoils19 4y ago
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  - maxerickson 4y ago
    It's total nutbag reasoning to say that the situation they created justifies the violence they used. They didn't need to serve a no knock warrant against someone they suspected was tangentially involved in drug crimes.
UncleMeat 4y ago
A "fuckup" is pushing to prod without code review or accidentally swapping sugar for salt in a recipe. Beating a man to death is not a fuckup. That's a choice that was made over and over by the cops each time he was struck.

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generj 4y ago

He didn’t resist arrest, he was trying to comply with impossible orders. They then immediately escalated to pepper spraying him, except they screwed up and got themselves instead (which enraged them). They also Tazered him and scared him badly enough he stopped attempting to comply and instead ran for his life. I haven’t watched the videos, but from commentary I understand he repeatedly tries to de-escalate the situation and is bewildered at how angry the cops are at him. Police department has subsequently said there wasn’t even a valid reason to pull him over.

ed_onlooker 4y ago
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- generj 4y ago
  I trust those who have summarized the video(s). I have little interest in viewing an extended violent murder of a man. It’s not a matter of spending time to watch them, I don’t deal well emotionally with videos like this. I didn’t watch ISIS execution videos either, but I trust there isn’t some conspiracy from everyone who did and summarized them.
- Volundr 4y ago
  So what did the comment get wrong that would've been corrected by watching the video? If nothing then what does yours accomplish?
the_only_law 4y ago
Does police brutality have a good chance of affecting a case in such a way where it could potentially be thrown out. I saw a video recently of an incident where the police caught a murderer but then proceeded to kick the hell out of him while he was already down and no longer a threat while their police helicopter recorded the whole thing. Come to find out it was originated because the guy had killed a cop, but I was curious if there was a chance he’d walk free because people in position of authority can’t keep their emotions in check.
- dogma1138 4y ago
  Depends on the case and charges. In that case probably not since the charges are completely unrelated to the incident. It also depends on what evidence there is and how important is the testimony of the arresting officers to the case. In general the prosecution would likely try to suppress the beating and the defense would have to make a case on why the police misconduct was relevant in this case. Violation of Miranda Rights is also not a cause to get a case thrown out categorically it however can lead to any evidence such as an admission of guilt or any information the police has gained from the subject after their arrest being inadmissible. TLDR if you are pulled over and beaten for no reason and then charged with resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer no prosecutor would likely take that to court. If you got arrested for murder and there is a ton of other evidence there likely won’t be any impact. However you can still take the police to court in a civil law suit.

costanostra989 4y ago

If this is the first thought you felt the need to share after watching a helpless man crying for his mother being relentlessly beaten to death then you really need to re-evaluate your values and keep them to yourself in the meantime. And before you reply that you’re “just sharing practical advice”, no what you’re actually doing is immediately taking the focus off of the police’s actions and putting blame onto the victim, and somehow making the discussion about his actions and what he did wrong. Not to mention reducing plain-as-day murder to simply a “fuckup”.

janalsncm 4y ago
I would say a “fuckup” is I overslept my job interview not I killed another human being.

janalsncm 4y ago

Police are professionals not wild animals. Their job involves taking people into custody, some of whom may be resisting. If they can’t accomplish that without killing the suspect they are not qualified.

xenospn 4y ago

Breonna Taylor was sleeping.

spoils19 4y ago
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- maxerickson 4y ago
  It's total nutbag reasoning to say that the situation they created justifies the violence they used. They didn't need to serve a no knock warrant against someone they suspected was tangentially involved in drug crimes.

UncleMeat 4y ago

A "fuckup" is pushing to prod without code review or accidentally swapping sugar for salt in a recipe. Beating a man to death is not a fuckup. That's a choice that was made over and over by the cops each time he was struck.