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It's this. The only reason why they're not getting away with this murder is because they got filmed in such an unambiguous way that barely anyone can defend the

It's this. The only reason why they're not getting away with this murder is because they got filmed in such an unambiguous way that barely anyone can defend their actions. There is no 'remaining context' or 'he was asking for it' wriggle room for neither the police organizations or their defenders. The fact that it wasn't just one cop but an entire group of them should also indicate that this isn't just one guy going rogue. It's a systemic problem.

olliej 4y ago
We’ll see if they go to jail: the la riots were the result of a jury saying that Rodney king deserved his beating. Personally I think the most effective step would be to make funds for civil payouts come out of police retirement and overtime budgets. Relying on policing of the police stopping anything is unlikely: just last year a group of police murdered the officer who was investigating them, and had no meaningful consequences.
- landemva 4y ago
  Most effective would be to remove the USSC policy of qualified immunity, which USSC basically made up in the 1970s. It makes it ridiculously difficult to successfully sue for damages. The States could start to change this, but that would require activists to stop the racial arguments and go after the State laws.
  - olliej 4y ago
    What’s absurd is not only was QI completely invented, but that police apparently successfully argue “I didn’t know that I wasn’t allowed to break the law”, “I thought the law says being a police officer means you can beat people to death”, etc
    - the_only_law 4y ago
      Yeah meanwhile for everyone else “ignorance of the law is not an excuse…”, etc.
UncleMeat 4y ago
Yep. Imagine they beat Tyre only 20% as badly. He didn't die, but it was still a brutal beating. Would anything have come of it? The only punishment comes when cops go many levels beyond what is already grossly unacceptable behavior, and even then this punishment is far from guaranteed.

olliej 4y ago

We’ll see if they go to jail: the la riots were the result of a jury saying that Rodney king deserved his beating. Personally I think the most effective step would be to make funds for civil payouts come out of police retirement and overtime budgets. Relying on policing of the police stopping anything is unlikely: just last year a group of police murdered the officer who was investigating them, and had no meaningful consequences.

landemva 4y ago
Most effective would be to remove the USSC policy of qualified immunity, which USSC basically made up in the 1970s. It makes it ridiculously difficult to successfully sue for damages. The States could start to change this, but that would require activists to stop the racial arguments and go after the State laws.
- olliej 4y ago
  What’s absurd is not only was QI completely invented, but that police apparently successfully argue “I didn’t know that I wasn’t allowed to break the law”, “I thought the law says being a police officer means you can beat people to death”, etc
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    Yeah meanwhile for everyone else “ignorance of the law is not an excuse…”, etc.

UncleMeat 4y ago

Yep. Imagine they beat Tyre only 20% as badly. He didn't die, but it was still a brutal beating. Would anything have come of it? The only punishment comes when cops go many levels beyond what is already grossly unacceptable behavior, and even then this punishment is far from guaranteed.