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The intent is to ban CRT and all its mutations. I guess the law can't call it by name for it would instantly change its name.

by akomtu 4y ago

richbell 4y ago
I'm sure there are people who'd love to keep the "theory" of evolution out of schools as well.
- roenxi 4y ago
  Sure, but the issue here is different people want different things out of school for different reasons. We happen to know a dangerously large group of people wants to make everything about race - ie, classic racist ideology. We happen to have a couple centuries of evidence that this is not a good idea. If they are organising under the banner of critical race theory then that needs to be resisted. There is no place for racism in the public school system.
  - Miner49er 4y ago
    I think you have a misunderstanding of what critical race theory is.
    - roenxi 4y ago
      Fair enough. What is it? Because as far as Wikipedia goes it seems to be a socially constructed mechanism of grouping and classing people that has nothing to do with their personal abilities. It has all the marks of classic racism. Drawing arbitrary boundaries, formally treating people differently based on them and not letting people switch between them. The right way to educate kids is to be showing them a diverse range of excellent role models that they can copy. Not drilling in to them that race influences every aspect of their lives and they should go looking for racial explanations for the world they see.
      - thrwawy74 4y ago
        My layman's understanding of CRT is that it's a study performed at the collegiate level of how a system can systemically and disproportionately disadvantage minorities, whether by intended design or not. Here are some examples: https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/nyc-cops-did-a-work-stop-yet-crime-dropped/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/nyc-cops-did-a-work-... https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/17/nyregion/bloomberg-stop-and-frisk-new-york.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/17/nyregion/bloomberg-stop-a... I'm throwing you easy ones, but the better explanation I was told is that it could be a study of how tax law over several generations has resulted in affluence for some class of 3rd generation Asian families on the West coast (hypothetical). It doesn't necessarily have to be about harm, just a study of a system and its impact. Understanding the nuance of how a system produced "this set of circumstances for this class of people" is why it's a college level deep-dive.
        xupybd 4y ago
        That is one of the goals of CRT. But one of assumptions is that lack of equity is evidence of systemic oppression, there are arguments for and against this idea. There are claims that it is the modern adaption of Marxist theories into the realm of race. https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/05/06/what-critical-race-theory-is-really-about/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/05/06/what-crit...
        roenxi 4y ago
        That is, fundamentally, not an argument that can be differentiated from "your skin colour changes what you can expect to achieve in our society". It is an argument by the same academic racists that crawl out from time to time, who've figured out that if they put a lot of new words between the start and end of the argument that they can expect to be given the benefit of the doubt. The healthy form of "systems have outcomes" is economics; but economics suggests personal effort and decentralisation get good results rather than obsessing over inherent facts about bodies and so the CRT people had to form their own new quasi-conomics to try and influence how policy is written.
        4y ago
- nhchris 4y ago
  So long as you pretend it stops below the human neck, you can teach all the evolution you want.
nhchris 4y ago
It's a lost battle. Teachers have decided what and how they want to teach, and no matter how democratic, legislation is too blunt a tool to change course. The long march through the institutions was a stunning success, and they're already instituting political litmus tests [1,2] and more [3,4] to strengthen the hold of the right-thinking over academia. [1] Berkeley Weeded Out Job Applicants Who Didn't Propose Specific Plans To Advance Diversity - https://reason.com/2020/02/03/university-of-california-diversity-initiative-berkeley/ https://reason.com/2020/02/03/university-of-california-diver... [2] Study: Diversity Statements Required for One-Fifth of Academic Jobs - https://freebeacon.com/campus/study-diversity-statements-required-for-one-fifth-of-academic-jobs/ https://freebeacon.com/campus/study-diversity-statements-req... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/opinion/liberal-college-administrators.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/opinion/liberal-college-a... [4] Minneapolis teachers union will fire white teachers before laying off any "educators of color," - https://notthebee.com/article/minneapolis-teachers-union-will-layoff-white-teachers-before-laying-off-any-educators-of-color https://notthebee.com/article/minneapolis-teachers-union-wil... - If you dislike the source, NPR says the same, but words it more delicately, and keeps the key details out of the headline or first paragraph: https://www.npr.org/2022/09/02/1120798679/a-new-minneapolis-teachers-contract-is-the-center-of-a-debate-over-diversity https://www.npr.org/2022/09/02/1120798679/a-new-minneapolis-...

The intent is to ban CRT and all its mutations. I guess the law can't call it by name for it would instantly change its name.

by akomtu 4y ago

The intent is to ban CRT and all its mutations. I guess the law can't call it by name for it would instantly change its name.

richbell 4y ago

I'm sure there are people who'd love to keep the "theory" of evolution out of schools as well.

roenxi 4y ago
Sure, but the issue here is different people want different things out of school for different reasons. We happen to know a dangerously large group of people wants to make everything about race - ie, classic racist ideology. We happen to have a couple centuries of evidence that this is not a good idea. If they are organising under the banner of critical race theory then that needs to be resisted. There is no place for racism in the public school system.
- Miner49er 4y ago
  I think you have a misunderstanding of what critical race theory is.
  - roenxi 4y ago
    Fair enough. What is it? Because as far as Wikipedia goes it seems to be a socially constructed mechanism of grouping and classing people that has nothing to do with their personal abilities. It has all the marks of classic racism. Drawing arbitrary boundaries, formally treating people differently based on them and not letting people switch between them. The right way to educate kids is to be showing them a diverse range of excellent role models that they can copy. Not drilling in to them that race influences every aspect of their lives and they should go looking for racial explanations for the world they see.
    - thrwawy74 4y ago
      My layman's understanding of CRT is that it's a study performed at the collegiate level of how a system can systemically and disproportionately disadvantage minorities, whether by intended design or not. Here are some examples: https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/nyc-cops-did-a-work-stop-yet-crime-dropped/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/nyc-cops-did-a-work-... https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/17/nyregion/bloomberg-stop-and-frisk-new-york.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/17/nyregion/bloomberg-stop-a... I'm throwing you easy ones, but the better explanation I was told is that it could be a study of how tax law over several generations has resulted in affluence for some class of 3rd generation Asian families on the West coast (hypothetical). It doesn't necessarily have to be about harm, just a study of a system and its impact. Understanding the nuance of how a system produced "this set of circumstances for this class of people" is why it's a college level deep-dive.
      - xupybd 4y ago
        That is one of the goals of CRT. But one of assumptions is that lack of equity is evidence of systemic oppression, there are arguments for and against this idea. There are claims that it is the modern adaption of Marxist theories into the realm of race. https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/05/06/what-critical-race-theory-is-really-about/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/05/06/what-crit...
      - roenxi 4y ago
        That is, fundamentally, not an argument that can be differentiated from "your skin colour changes what you can expect to achieve in our society". It is an argument by the same academic racists that crawl out from time to time, who've figured out that if they put a lot of new words between the start and end of the argument that they can expect to be given the benefit of the doubt. The healthy form of "systems have outcomes" is economics; but economics suggests personal effort and decentralisation get good results rather than obsessing over inherent facts about bodies and so the CRT people had to form their own new quasi-conomics to try and influence how policy is written.
        4y ago
nhchris 4y ago
So long as you pretend it stops below the human neck, you can teach all the evolution you want.

nhchris 4y ago

It's a lost battle. Teachers have decided what and how they want to teach, and no matter how democratic, legislation is too blunt a tool to change course. The long march through the institutions was a stunning success, and they're already instituting political litmus tests [1,2] and more [3,4] to strengthen the hold of the right-thinking over academia. [1] Berkeley Weeded Out Job Applicants Who Didn't Propose Specific Plans To Advance Diversity - https://reason.com/2020/02/03/university-of-california-diversity-initiative-berkeley/ https://reason.com/2020/02/03/university-of-california-diver... [2] Study: Diversity Statements Required for One-Fifth of Academic Jobs - https://freebeacon.com/campus/study-diversity-statements-required-for-one-fifth-of-academic-jobs/ https://freebeacon.com/campus/study-diversity-statements-req... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/opinion/liberal-college-administrators.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/opinion/liberal-college-a... [4] Minneapolis teachers union will fire white teachers before laying off any "educators of color," - https://notthebee.com/article/minneapolis-teachers-union-will-layoff-white-teachers-before-laying-off-any-educators-of-color https://notthebee.com/article/minneapolis-teachers-union-wil... - If you dislike the source, NPR says the same, but words it more delicately, and keeps the key details out of the headline or first paragraph: https://www.npr.org/2022/09/02/1120798679/a-new-minneapolis-teachers-contract-is-the-center-of-a-debate-over-diversity https://www.npr.org/2022/09/02/1120798679/a-new-minneapolis-...