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This is the kind of rationalism and level-headedness I want in an educator.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> rationalism and level-headedness I work in a regulated industry. Keeping a wide berth from criminal conduct, even when a bit ridiculous, is the rational move.
- skissane 4y ago
  Lots of people don’t “keep a wide berth” at all, and make billions doing so. Look at all the corporate tax avoidance schemes that most megacorps engage in, many of which are only a few debatable legal technicalities away from criminal tax evasion
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    Yeah but those people are often above the bureaucrats, not stuck below them.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > only a few debatable legal technicalities away from criminal tax evasion They're a few technicalities away from civil tax evasion. The difference is disclosure.
amanaplanacanal 4y ago
Unfortunately it’s not the educators making the rules.
- GoldenMonkey 4y ago
  As it should be. Legislatures and accountable people. Not some random educator who wants to teach whatever they want. Parents are tired of these educators not teaching the basics. And indoctrinating their kids.
  - jasonjayr 4y ago
    I am a parent, and I am not tired of it. Teachers study & hard to work out the best techniques to motivate all students, find make lessons and experiences to encourage healthy curious minds. It's laughable that those who have not studied childhood education think they are making the right call, or that these teachers have an agenda besides trying to help these kids be better.
    - agensaequivocum 4y ago
      No one cares more about my kids' well-being than I the parent do. It is quite clear that a large number of "educators" at best have no regard for the well-being of the children that they have authority over. The books that these school are allowing the kids to have access to are absolutely disgusting. The founders never intended for obscenity to be protected by the 1st amendment.
      - jasonjayr 4y ago
        The founders are dead, and they no longer hold any power over our current government. Further, the case that considered if the first amendment covered obscenity was only considered in 1957, and even then left a big grey area. The community I was raised in, and grew up in, and continue to raise my kids in, do not consider the same things this law considers obscene. A very vocal minority is flexing whatever power they can hold on to, and forcing this unwelcome intrusion into our communities.
    - HonestOp001 4y ago
      The teachers are indoctrinated. If you listen to the teacher’s during their required masters teaching coursework, the indoctrination begins subtly and then converts them away from recognizing anecdotal evidence not aligning with doctrine. The best example of this is group work. As a school student, group work was always extra work load because the ones who were low achievers just waited for the high achievers to take care of things. Whether it was perniciously done or lazily, I ended up doing it and believing the teachers were out of their mind. All the high level students recognized this. Having brought this up with colleagues who were getting their master’s degrees in teaching, they pointed out that studies showed that group work had the lower level kids be inspired by the higher kids. That’s why group work could show the lower kids how to be successful. The goal here is to indoctrinate the teachers into believing social studies, (a college department that is worthless and devoid of any redeeming quality), that fly in the face of reality. The indoctrination then carries into the younger classes. The one above who pointed out the system has been completely taken over is correct.
anigbrowl 4y ago
I thought first that it was a theatrical protest by just a single teacher or school, but it turns out to be broader in scope: The Manatee County School District directed teachers to remove all books that had not yet been approved by a specialist from their classroom libraries [..] ...so I thought that was worthy of mention. Library access/availability seems like a fundamental thing for me, in line with the hacker ethos of self-directed learning and maximizing access to information.

> rationalism and level-headedness I work in a regulated industry. Keeping a wide berth from criminal conduct, even when a bit ridiculous, is the rational move.

skissane 4y ago
Lots of people don’t “keep a wide berth” at all, and make billions doing so. Look at all the corporate tax avoidance schemes that most megacorps engage in, many of which are only a few debatable legal technicalities away from criminal tax evasion
- the_only_law 4y ago
  Yeah but those people are often above the bureaucrats, not stuck below them.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > only a few debatable legal technicalities away from criminal tax evasion They're a few technicalities away from civil tax evasion. The difference is disclosure.

amanaplanacanal 4y ago

Unfortunately it’s not the educators making the rules.

GoldenMonkey 4y ago
As it should be. Legislatures and accountable people. Not some random educator who wants to teach whatever they want. Parents are tired of these educators not teaching the basics. And indoctrinating their kids.
- jasonjayr 4y ago
  I am a parent, and I am not tired of it. Teachers study & hard to work out the best techniques to motivate all students, find make lessons and experiences to encourage healthy curious minds. It's laughable that those who have not studied childhood education think they are making the right call, or that these teachers have an agenda besides trying to help these kids be better.
  - agensaequivocum 4y ago
    No one cares more about my kids' well-being than I the parent do. It is quite clear that a large number of "educators" at best have no regard for the well-being of the children that they have authority over. The books that these school are allowing the kids to have access to are absolutely disgusting. The founders never intended for obscenity to be protected by the 1st amendment.
    - jasonjayr 4y ago
      The founders are dead, and they no longer hold any power over our current government. Further, the case that considered if the first amendment covered obscenity was only considered in 1957, and even then left a big grey area. The community I was raised in, and grew up in, and continue to raise my kids in, do not consider the same things this law considers obscene. A very vocal minority is flexing whatever power they can hold on to, and forcing this unwelcome intrusion into our communities.
  - HonestOp001 4y ago
    The teachers are indoctrinated. If you listen to the teacher’s during their required masters teaching coursework, the indoctrination begins subtly and then converts them away from recognizing anecdotal evidence not aligning with doctrine. The best example of this is group work. As a school student, group work was always extra work load because the ones who were low achievers just waited for the high achievers to take care of things. Whether it was perniciously done or lazily, I ended up doing it and believing the teachers were out of their mind. All the high level students recognized this. Having brought this up with colleagues who were getting their master’s degrees in teaching, they pointed out that studies showed that group work had the lower level kids be inspired by the higher kids. That’s why group work could show the lower kids how to be successful. The goal here is to indoctrinate the teachers into believing social studies, (a college department that is worthless and devoid of any redeeming quality), that fly in the face of reality. The indoctrination then carries into the younger classes. The one above who pointed out the system has been completely taken over is correct.

anigbrowl 4y ago

I thought first that it was a theatrical protest by just a single teacher or school, but it turns out to be broader in scope: The Manatee County School District directed teachers to remove all books that had not yet been approved by a specialist from their classroom libraries [..] ...so I thought that was worthy of mention. Library access/availability seems like a fundamental thing for me, in line with the hacker ethos of self-directed learning and maximizing access to information.