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I suggest this is sexism here - and I'm generally the last person to call that kind of thing out, usually assuming goodwill. Specifically for implying that some

by jasmer 4y ago

I suggest this is sexism here - and I'm generally the last person to call that kind of thing out, usually assuming goodwill. Specifically for implying that someone traded sex for a promotion, unless you have some legit data there. Marissa was a very early person at Google, and contributed to a lot of things [1]. Obviously a Wikipedia entry is going to be hagiographic, and some early players are going to be better than others, but there's no reason to believe she wasn't at least on the same playing field as many of the other early landing big names. And she has nothing acutely toxic or myopic on her record. She was hired by the board of Yahoo to mostly do what she did. FYI Kamala Harris had a romantic relationship with someone in power who appointed her to positions she was not remotely qualified for, that's an example wherein the unseemly facts are just a bit too real for polite conversation. But I suggest when one wants to throw such tawdry things around, one should not be making arbitrary claims. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marissa_Mayer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marissa_Mayer

metadat 4y ago
Great new (to me) word: Hagiographic Definition: Excessively flattering
- mwest217 4y ago
  The origin adds additional color here - hagiography is writing about the lives of saints. So the adjectival form just means that it's portraying someone as (perhaps excessively) saintly.
- hodgesrm 4y ago
  Hagiography is literally writing about the lives of saints: a sturdy addition to any writer's vocabulary. To avoid overuse there are also fine synonyms like panegyric (defined as "elaborate praise" in the OED) and encomium.
quantified 4y ago
Dating isn't sex. Just "super close, possibly hormone-addled friendship" is enough.
bluepizza 4y ago
From wiki: > She oversaw the layout of Google's well-known, unadorned search homepage. There was literally nothing to oversee. Even in this unadorned search homepage, she was able to keep an unused button (I'm feeling lucky) for more than a decade.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  We're just gonna ignore that Wiki also points out she was 1/3 of the initial AdWords team, are we? (I suspect keeping the Google homepage "unadorned" took a lot more effort than you'd imagine, too.)
- fencepost 4y ago
  I guarantee there was a lot of pressure to add crap to that page. "Just a couple of top news links!" "How about icons for people's most visited sites?" "Can we sneak in a 'promo' or two?"
  - bluepizza 4y ago
    Excellent point. While I believe that whatever was on the front page was Larry and Sergey's ultimate decision, there definitely was some work to convince them to keep it this way.
yellowapple 4y ago
"Suggesting that someone traded sex for a position of power is sexist... now hold my beer while I do exactly that w.r.t. the sitting Vice President of the United States." Your point would've been much stronger had you not used this as an opportunity for a political cheap shot; your last paragraph completely nullifies the three preceding it.
- jasmer 4y ago
  Kamala Harris used her relationship to obtain considerable power in a nakedly callous manner, it's a stark reality. Aside from the more vulgar elements, it's immoral and wold be illegal in most circumstances; it's just straight corruption. To wit, those participating in these actions are Lawmakers and those responsible for the Justice System aka District Attorney, further embroiling the hypocrisy in the situation. It's understandable people will feel uncomfortable with that reality, because it resonates with a kind of slander that is used to belittle people (especially women), hence my calling out the individual OP for making arbitrary insinuations. But it's irresponsible to ignore such actions because it doesn't fit either one's political orientation, or triggers one's sensitivities. What Harris did was bad. Arbitrarily insinuating women are only successful because they 'slept around' is also bad. It's actually not very nuanced at all once you start to think about it.
  - yellowapple 4y ago
    > Kamala Harris used her relationship to obtain considerable power in a nakedly callous manner, it's a stark reality. [citation needed] > hence my calling out the individual OP for making arbitrary insinuations. Calling out someone for making arbitrary insinuations while yourself making arbitrary insinuations is blatantly hypocritical and - as you put it - "nakedly callous". Your comments boil down to "if the allegations are against a woman on my team then they're false but if they're against a woman on the other team then they're true". Maybe that ain't your intention, but that's how it reads. There was zero good-faith reason to bring up Kamala Harris apropos nothing - and in doing so (and in doubling down on doing so) you've obliterated your own argument.
tonymet 4y ago
Marissa had some short term wins (improving the talent pool, productivity, migrating the product, audience & revenue to mobile) that were a remarkable interruption to the long term decline. She deserves mild to moderate praise for her brief tenure. Not stellar but also not useless.
tablespoon 4y ago
> FYI Kamala Harris had a romantic relationship with someone in power who appointed her to positions she was not remotely qualified for For anyone curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Brown_(politician)#Favoritism_and_patronage_criticisms;_FBI_investigations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Brown_(politician)#Favo...: > Brown's romantic relationship with Alameda County deputy district attorney Kamala Harris preceded his appointment of Harris to two California state commissions in the early 1990s. The San Francisco Chronicle called the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and the California Medical Assistance Commission patronage positions. When the appointments became a political issue in Harris's 2003 race for District Attorney, she responded: "Whether you agree or disagree with the system, I did the work".[57] Brown's relationship with Harris gained renewed attention in early 2019 after she had become a U.S. senator and ran for president.[58][59][60][61] Brown addressed the questions by publishing a piece in the San Francisco Chronicle titled "Sure, I dated Kamala Harris. So what?" He wrote that he may have "influenced" her career by appointing her to boards and supporting her run for District Attorney, but added that he had also influenced the careers of other politicians.
- jasmer 4y ago
  [1] State of California's guide on 'Conflict of Interest' which one will find that appointing one's partner/gf/bf/spouse to arbitrary positions would nominally be illegal. Note that this is the statement by the 'Office of Attorney General' of California, a position to which Ms. Harris was elevated after direct appointments by her then partner, Willie Brown, thereby making issues of 'conflict of interest' considerably more problematic. Though I don't think we need to derail this conversation too much away from the fact that though these things do happen, belittling women (or men) arbitrarily for supposedly doing these kinds of things is not nice at all. And that Ms. Tajeda is holding her own in indicating we can all be a bit insufferable ... [1] https://oag.ca.gov/conflict-interest https://oag.ca.gov/conflict-interest
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by jasmer 4y ago

metadat 4y ago

Great new (to me) word: Hagiographic Definition: Excessively flattering

mwest217 4y ago
The origin adds additional color here - hagiography is writing about the lives of saints. So the adjectival form just means that it's portraying someone as (perhaps excessively) saintly.
hodgesrm 4y ago
Hagiography is literally writing about the lives of saints: a sturdy addition to any writer's vocabulary. To avoid overuse there are also fine synonyms like panegyric (defined as "elaborate praise" in the OED) and encomium.

quantified 4y ago

Dating isn't sex. Just "super close, possibly hormone-addled friendship" is enough.

bluepizza 4y ago

From wiki: > She oversaw the layout of Google's well-known, unadorned search homepage. There was literally nothing to oversee. Even in this unadorned search homepage, she was able to keep an unused button (I'm feeling lucky) for more than a decade.

ceejayoz 4y ago
We're just gonna ignore that Wiki also points out she was 1/3 of the initial AdWords team, are we? (I suspect keeping the Google homepage "unadorned" took a lot more effort than you'd imagine, too.)
fencepost 4y ago
I guarantee there was a lot of pressure to add crap to that page. "Just a couple of top news links!" "How about icons for people's most visited sites?" "Can we sneak in a 'promo' or two?"
- bluepizza 4y ago
  Excellent point. While I believe that whatever was on the front page was Larry and Sergey's ultimate decision, there definitely was some work to convince them to keep it this way.

yellowapple 4y ago

"Suggesting that someone traded sex for a position of power is sexist... now hold my beer while I do exactly that w.r.t. the sitting Vice President of the United States." Your point would've been much stronger had you not used this as an opportunity for a political cheap shot; your last paragraph completely nullifies the three preceding it.

jasmer 4y ago
Kamala Harris used her relationship to obtain considerable power in a nakedly callous manner, it's a stark reality. Aside from the more vulgar elements, it's immoral and wold be illegal in most circumstances; it's just straight corruption. To wit, those participating in these actions are Lawmakers and those responsible for the Justice System aka District Attorney, further embroiling the hypocrisy in the situation. It's understandable people will feel uncomfortable with that reality, because it resonates with a kind of slander that is used to belittle people (especially women), hence my calling out the individual OP for making arbitrary insinuations. But it's irresponsible to ignore such actions because it doesn't fit either one's political orientation, or triggers one's sensitivities. What Harris did was bad. Arbitrarily insinuating women are only successful because they 'slept around' is also bad. It's actually not very nuanced at all once you start to think about it.
- yellowapple 4y ago
  > Kamala Harris used her relationship to obtain considerable power in a nakedly callous manner, it's a stark reality. [citation needed] > hence my calling out the individual OP for making arbitrary insinuations. Calling out someone for making arbitrary insinuations while yourself making arbitrary insinuations is blatantly hypocritical and - as you put it - "nakedly callous". Your comments boil down to "if the allegations are against a woman on my team then they're false but if they're against a woman on the other team then they're true". Maybe that ain't your intention, but that's how it reads. There was zero good-faith reason to bring up Kamala Harris apropos nothing - and in doing so (and in doubling down on doing so) you've obliterated your own argument.

tonymet 4y ago

Marissa had some short term wins (improving the talent pool, productivity, migrating the product, audience & revenue to mobile) that were a remarkable interruption to the long term decline. She deserves mild to moderate praise for her brief tenure. Not stellar but also not useless.

tablespoon 4y ago

> FYI Kamala Harris had a romantic relationship with someone in power who appointed her to positions she was not remotely qualified for For anyone curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Brown_(politician)#Favoritism_and_patronage_criticisms;_FBI_investigations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Brown_(politician)#Favo...: > Brown's romantic relationship with Alameda County deputy district attorney Kamala Harris preceded his appointment of Harris to two California state commissions in the early 1990s. The San Francisco Chronicle called the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and the California Medical Assistance Commission patronage positions. When the appointments became a political issue in Harris's 2003 race for District Attorney, she responded: "Whether you agree or disagree with the system, I did the work".[57] Brown's relationship with Harris gained renewed attention in early 2019 after she had become a U.S. senator and ran for president.[58][59][60][61] Brown addressed the questions by publishing a piece in the San Francisco Chronicle titled "Sure, I dated Kamala Harris. So what?" He wrote that he may have "influenced" her career by appointing her to boards and supporting her run for District Attorney, but added that he had also influenced the careers of other politicians.

jasmer 4y ago
[1] State of California's guide on 'Conflict of Interest' which one will find that appointing one's partner/gf/bf/spouse to arbitrary positions would nominally be illegal. Note that this is the statement by the 'Office of Attorney General' of California, a position to which Ms. Harris was elevated after direct appointments by her then partner, Willie Brown, thereby making issues of 'conflict of interest' considerably more problematic. Though I don't think we need to derail this conversation too much away from the fact that though these things do happen, belittling women (or men) arbitrarily for supposedly doing these kinds of things is not nice at all. And that Ms. Tajeda is holding her own in indicating we can all be a bit insufferable ... [1] https://oag.ca.gov/conflict-interest https://oag.ca.gov/conflict-interest

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