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> (Neon tubes, by the way, have an added risk of shattering inside the throat, with seriously disabling and sometimes fatal effects.) I was lucky enough in my

by bb88 4y ago

> (Neon tubes, by the way, have an added risk of shattering inside the throat, with seriously disabling and sometimes fatal effects.) I was lucky enough in my life to see someone do exactly this -- he even talked about how deadly it was before he did it. Though for his performance, he used a metal cage around the neon tube. It prevented the esophagus from breaking it, but still allowed the light to escape out. He opened up his shirt and allowed for 30 seconds everyone to see the light emanating out of his chest cavity. It was a truly remarkable experience.

Someone 4y ago
> he even talked about how deadly it was before he did it I would not immediately believe a performer saying that. Saying something is extremely dangerous can be part of the performance. In this case the tube may not have been made of glass, or there might have been a layer of plastic between the glass and the metal cage. That wouldn’t make it zero risk, but certainly would have decreased the risk.
- adrian_b 4y ago
  The tube must have been made of glass, otherwise it could not keep the air out of the low-pressure interior. However, you are right that a minimal precaution would be to wrap the tube in a transparent plastic film, preferably glued to the glass, in order to contain any broken shards.
  - stavros 4y ago
    It may not have been a neon tube, it may have been a plexiglass tube with LED lights and a diffuser. How can you tell from inside an esophagus?
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    - bb88 4y ago
      I recall it looking bright like a neon tube with the glow that neon tubes emit -- also with heavy duty cable going into the neon tube. He swallows the sword on stage so everyone sees the sword go in and out. I also had no doubt to believe it wasn't a glass neon tube.
      - stavros 4y ago
        Sorry, I meant in the hypothetical case where someone swallows a "neon" tube without any shielding. The metal cage in your case tells me that it was probably legitimate. Though, what happened to the other end of the wire?
        bb88 4y ago
        It was plugged into the wall through I'm guessing a high voltage neon transformer. I have no idea if the cage was grounded or not. I assume it wasn't, which should have been fine if the connection to the tube was outside of his mouth.
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  There’s a thing Penn and Teller talk about (in the nail gun routine) about how it is immoral for a trick to have any real danger as it makes the audience complicit in risk. This resonates with me considerably. But then you move further from magic and closer to acrobatics and things like tightrope acts without nets have real danger.
  - bb88 4y ago
    Juggling, circus acts, and heck even air shows can be dangerous for the performers. I've seen an air show performer die during his act a few years ago when he crashed into the ground. Even the NFL has a good amount of danger during every game -- and people get injured. But spectators have died during Airshows [0] and during, say, the Indy 500 [1]. [0]: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/air-show-accident-burns-spectators https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/air-show-acciden... [1]: https://www.sportscasting.com/indianapolis-500-tragedy-rarely-talked-about-errant-tire-killed-fan/ https://www.sportscasting.com/indianapolis-500-tragedy-rarel...
    - Oxidation 4y ago
      Airshows have also killed people not spectating, but just driving nearby when the plane crashed into a main road: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Shoreham_Airshow_crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Shoreham_Airshow_crash
  - AndrewOMartin 4y ago
    When I saw Penn & Teller live in the same show they did the routine you describe, but also a fire eating routine about how some stunts simply do hurt, and can be dangerous to both learn and perform. Neither break the "no permanent damage" rule but you are left with two seemingly contradictory arguments. Properly aligned you can fit the two ideas together, but I think they kind of personal mental arranging of ideas is exactly what they want to leave you with.
hbn 4y ago
That pull quote and first sentence made me think you saw a neon tube shatter inside a performer
- 867-5309 4y ago
  it disappointed me too

by bb88 4y ago

Someone 4y ago

> he even talked about how deadly it was before he did it I would not immediately believe a performer saying that. Saying something is extremely dangerous can be part of the performance. In this case the tube may not have been made of glass, or there might have been a layer of plastic between the glass and the metal cage. That wouldn’t make it zero risk, but certainly would have decreased the risk.

adrian_b 4y ago
The tube must have been made of glass, otherwise it could not keep the air out of the low-pressure interior. However, you are right that a minimal precaution would be to wrap the tube in a transparent plastic film, preferably glued to the glass, in order to contain any broken shards.
- stavros 4y ago
  It may not have been a neon tube, it may have been a plexiglass tube with LED lights and a diffuser. How can you tell from inside an esophagus?
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  - bb88 4y ago
    I recall it looking bright like a neon tube with the glow that neon tubes emit -- also with heavy duty cable going into the neon tube. He swallows the sword on stage so everyone sees the sword go in and out. I also had no doubt to believe it wasn't a glass neon tube.
    - stavros 4y ago
      Sorry, I meant in the hypothetical case where someone swallows a "neon" tube without any shielding. The metal cage in your case tells me that it was probably legitimate. Though, what happened to the other end of the wire?
      - bb88 4y ago
        It was plugged into the wall through I'm guessing a high voltage neon transformer. I have no idea if the cage was grounded or not. I assume it wasn't, which should have been fine if the connection to the tube was outside of his mouth.
Waterluvian 4y ago
There’s a thing Penn and Teller talk about (in the nail gun routine) about how it is immoral for a trick to have any real danger as it makes the audience complicit in risk. This resonates with me considerably. But then you move further from magic and closer to acrobatics and things like tightrope acts without nets have real danger.
- bb88 4y ago
  Juggling, circus acts, and heck even air shows can be dangerous for the performers. I've seen an air show performer die during his act a few years ago when he crashed into the ground. Even the NFL has a good amount of danger during every game -- and people get injured. But spectators have died during Airshows [0] and during, say, the Indy 500 [1]. [0]: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/air-show-accident-burns-spectators https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/air-show-acciden... [1]: https://www.sportscasting.com/indianapolis-500-tragedy-rarely-talked-about-errant-tire-killed-fan/ https://www.sportscasting.com/indianapolis-500-tragedy-rarel...
  - Oxidation 4y ago
    Airshows have also killed people not spectating, but just driving nearby when the plane crashed into a main road: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Shoreham_Airshow_crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Shoreham_Airshow_crash
- AndrewOMartin 4y ago
  When I saw Penn & Teller live in the same show they did the routine you describe, but also a fire eating routine about how some stunts simply do hurt, and can be dangerous to both learn and perform. Neither break the "no permanent damage" rule but you are left with two seemingly contradictory arguments. Properly aligned you can fit the two ideas together, but I think they kind of personal mental arranging of ideas is exactly what they want to leave you with.

hbn 4y ago

That pull quote and first sentence made me think you saw a neon tube shatter inside a performer

867-5309 4y ago
it disappointed me too