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I wonder if the people who get these Security Commission briefings believe the bullshit about "hostile external forces" or if they all know it's just a pretend

I wonder if the people who get these Security Commission briefings believe the bullshit about "hostile external forces" or if they all know it's just a pretend boogeyman and the population unrest happened because they don't tolerate the government's behavior. Then again a lot of American reddit/Twitter users screamed "Russian bot!" when they see things they didn't like. Some of it maybe were Russian bots, but imagine if all the Russian interference disappeared, would all the anti-American commenters disappear off the Internet?

red-iron-pine 4y ago
How could you NOT think it was bots, esp. knowing what we know now about ChatGPT? Nation-state level actors could and almost certainly do have similar options at their fingertips, on top of having enough cash to pay a legion of folks to troll. We know they exist -- they have names like 50 Cent Army (or Mechanical Turk, or "online marketing firm").
dirtyid 4y ago
>if the people who get these Security Commission briefings believe the bullshit about "hostile external forces" They do and should. West working hard to deny that foreign coordination occurs - the magnitude of impact is subject to debate - but telegram group like @actionshanghai with 100s of particapants coordinating live SH protests with foreign journalists (including FLG/Epoche) and trained aggitators providing support were real. And within MSS ability to monitor / prosecute. Western influence OPs in PRC is as real as CCP influence ops abroad that warrants crackdown. CCP did not crack down on foreign NGOs and purge CIA network for shits and giggles. It was forgone some protestors would be naive enough to work with "hostile external forces" and would get slapped hard by state security, hence handful of arrests versus thousands. There's been surprising tolerance for protests so far, but also good reason not to tolerate protestors' behaviours that effects national security. The fact group is begging for attention on youtube good sign they're the kind of naive libtards that thinks it's fine to work with hostile external forces who has some ability to impact, i.e. media who manufactures consent vs internet trolls. Otherwise they'd receive the basic tea invite + self criticism ceremony and can move on with their lives like thousands of others.

red-iron-pine 4y ago

How could you NOT think it was bots, esp. knowing what we know now about ChatGPT? Nation-state level actors could and almost certainly do have similar options at their fingertips, on top of having enough cash to pay a legion of folks to troll. We know they exist -- they have names like 50 Cent Army (or Mechanical Turk, or "online marketing firm").

dirtyid 4y ago

>if the people who get these Security Commission briefings believe the bullshit about "hostile external forces" They do and should. West working hard to deny that foreign coordination occurs - the magnitude of impact is subject to debate - but telegram group like @actionshanghai with 100s of particapants coordinating live SH protests with foreign journalists (including FLG/Epoche) and trained aggitators providing support were real. And within MSS ability to monitor / prosecute. Western influence OPs in PRC is as real as CCP influence ops abroad that warrants crackdown. CCP did not crack down on foreign NGOs and purge CIA network for shits and giggles. It was forgone some protestors would be naive enough to work with "hostile external forces" and would get slapped hard by state security, hence handful of arrests versus thousands. There's been surprising tolerance for protests so far, but also good reason not to tolerate protestors' behaviours that effects national security. The fact group is begging for attention on youtube good sign they're the kind of naive libtards that thinks it's fine to work with hostile external forces who has some ability to impact, i.e. media who manufactures consent vs internet trolls. Otherwise they'd receive the basic tea invite + self criticism ceremony and can move on with their lives like thousands of others.