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We already have something similar with bicycle registrations, and of course with cars (titles). There should be a big cerimonial thing where I go to a place wi

We already have something similar with bicycle registrations, and of course with cars (titles). There should be a big cerimonial thing where I go to a place with a sworn in official, show my ID, and say "I hereby lock down this device for all time with the power of cryptography" so that nobody can use it as long as I'm considered the legitimate owner. OK I'm exaggerating. But the problem is real. If you buy a second hand device this can happen, or if you have a company and a previous employee doesn't unlock it for some reason. Yeah, ideally you should have documentation of an unbroken chain of ownership and should be able to go to Apple. But in reality that doesn't happen, and I think Apple isn't the best custodian for this. They don't have an incentive to reduce the number of thrown away producs. (To be clear, I wouldn't trust current governments either! But conceptually, this function belongs in the civil area and not in private hand.)

dijit 4y ago
> if you have a company and a previous employee doesn't unlock it for some reason When you buy an Apple computer as a company you should enroll it with MDM. MDM bypasses this issue completely, you can remotely wipe and re-use a computer if it's signed to a companies MDM.
krisoft 4y ago
> If you buy a second hand device this can happen If you buy a second hand device and this happens you bring it back to whom you bought it from and ask it to be unlocked or your money back. Same as if it does just not turn on. > if you have a company and a previous employee doesn't unlock it for some reason You put it into the offboarding process to check this. If it is missed or can’t be done for some reason you take it to Apple with proof of purchase and they unlock it for you. > But in reality that doesn't happen Yeah. Like for example you fenced a laptop from a shady guy.

dijit 4y ago

> if you have a company and a previous employee doesn't unlock it for some reason When you buy an Apple computer as a company you should enroll it with MDM. MDM bypasses this issue completely, you can remotely wipe and re-use a computer if it's signed to a companies MDM.

krisoft 4y ago

> If you buy a second hand device this can happen If you buy a second hand device and this happens you bring it back to whom you bought it from and ask it to be unlocked or your money back. Same as if it does just not turn on. > if you have a company and a previous employee doesn't unlock it for some reason You put it into the offboarding process to check this. If it is missed or can’t be done for some reason you take it to Apple with proof of purchase and they unlock it for you. > But in reality that doesn't happen Yeah. Like for example you fenced a laptop from a shady guy.