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No scandals, no twitter addiction, no sexual assault cases. No bullshit. All this guy does is wake up at 4, work till 10, and sleep. Cuts his own pay voluntaril

No scandals, no twitter addiction, no sexual assault cases. No bullshit. All this guy does is wake up at 4, work till 10, and sleep. Cuts his own pay voluntarily. Didn’t double his headcount while revenues fell like so many. Tim Cook is such a beast. Jobs left one last blessing for Apple shareholders in his decision to elevate Cook.

latexr 4y ago
> No scandals, no twitter addiction, no sexual assault cases. No bullshit. It’s unfortunate (and it says a lot about our current situation) that that behaviour is worthy of note. > Jobs left one last blessing for Apple shareholders in his decision to elevate Cook. I don’t understand the obsession with shareholders. It’s all about money money money, good products and respect for the customer be dammed. Cook was a fantastic choice to fill Apple’s coffers, but an awful one for those who identify with Apple’s (old) values of making something good.
- geodel 4y ago
  Customers have a dozen companies to chose from that would respect them. Or are you saying Apple customers are specifically those who do not like respect nowadays.
  - latexr 4y ago
    > Or are you saying Apple customers are specifically those who do not like respect nowadays. That’s such a leading question, I’m genuinely wondering if you’re arguing in good faith. I’m saying neither of those. I’m talking about how Apple’s leadership transition from Jobs to Cook changed focus from what the company used to do best.
- infofarmer 4y ago
  At certain levels of power, all you need to achieve virtual sainthood is to remain a decent human being.
- _yb2s 4y ago
  As a longtime apple customer, the quality and innovation in my M1 pro is absolutely in line with their old values.
  - newaccount74 4y ago
    Yes! Finally Apple found a way to enforce the VM limit from the macOS EULA. I'm so glad I have to buy extra Macs for testing my software now!
  - latexr 4y ago
    Yes, I agree that hardware-wise they’re on top of their game¹. I was specifically thinking of software and services, like the trend of trying to upsell you to their services when using their apps or releasing half-baked apps which go against their own Human Interface Guidelines and are never fixed. ¹ Let’s see if that continues with Evans Hankey leaving.
    - s3p 4y ago
      Which apps do that?
      - rogerkirkness 4y ago
        iCloud Web is like Google Drive with both hands tied behind it's back.
- sfmike 4y ago
  did he not have any decision making on going towards ARM and M chips?
- rco8786 4y ago
  > current Don't make this mistake. Integrity and humility have always always always been rare traits in high profile, high power leaders.
- eddieroger 4y ago
  Apple is a public company, and public companies are accountable to shareholders, not customers. Shareholders want it to be worth their while, so yes it's about the money. It is possible to do what's best for both, and Apple still does that plenty, but the customer of today isn't the customer of the Apple you're describing. I wish they focused more on the Mac line, and the M1 and M2 are returns to that, but Apple's making money off iPhones, not Macs.
  - latexr 4y ago
    > Apple is a public company, and public companies are accountable to shareholders, not customers. Tim Cook himself, a decade ago, might have had something to say about that¹. > It is possible to do what's best for both, and Apple still does that plenty My objection is the trend more than the current state. A decade ago it would have been unthinkable to me that Apple would ever have ads in any OS. Today, I’m dreading the moment they go “full Windows” and start shoving third-party ads in Spotlight, then Safari, then the Dock². ¹ https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/tim-cook-soundly-rejects-politics-of-the-ncppr-suggests-group-sell-apples-s https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/tim-cook-soundly-rej... ² Yes, I am exaggerating to make a point. At least I hope it’s an exaggeration.
    - OnlyMortal 4y ago
      Apple isn’t an advertising company. It’s a hardware company that also does software. It’s analogous to HP of old, which is no great surprise given the founders.
      - latexr 4y ago
        > Apple isn’t an advertising company. It’s a hardware company that also does software. They could be a noodle shop. The distinction isn’t relevant to the point: they are shoving ads in our faces, from their own apps from their own OSs. Always pushing you to the subscriptions. Everything Cook does indicates it will only get worse.
      - tracker1 4y ago
- edgyquant 4y ago
  This is saying you don’t understand why employees try to keep the owner of a company happy. Because they own it.
- lobocinza 4y ago
  Because the shareholders are the owners. And I don't think it's all about money (in the short term). I believe a significant part of Apple shareholders understand the importance of brand reputation and are willing to sacrifice short term gains for sustainable long term gains.
- fogforthought93 4y ago
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toyg 4y ago
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- msm_ 4y ago
  I don't completely understand your comment. Do you imply there's something wrong with being autistic? Or that overworking is an exclusively autistic trait? Both interpretations seems off, so I believe I missed your point. Though I suspect it's a joke that went well over my head.
  - toyg 4y ago
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phantomathkg 4y ago
I don't know if I should consider he play by China Communist rules on censorship is a scandal, or not. https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/26/apple-china-website-censorship-hong-kong/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/26/apple-china-website-censorshi...
- jkmcf 4y ago
  If you look at what Apple has done since, diversifying production out of China, this may have been a trigger. It could also be purely supply chain stability, but Cook appears to be a more noble figure than his peers IMO. The collision of politics and business is never good though, but in most cases the company has to bow politely, at least in the near term.
remote_phone 4y ago
He did not cut his pay voluntarily. He pay was cut by the board.
- andruby 4y ago
  He proposed his pay cut to the board and they accepted it.
fnord77 4y ago
so, basically a competent CEO
steve76 4y ago
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latexr 4y ago

> No scandals, no twitter addiction, no sexual assault cases. No bullshit. It’s unfortunate (and it says a lot about our current situation) that that behaviour is worthy of note. > Jobs left one last blessing for Apple shareholders in his decision to elevate Cook. I don’t understand the obsession with shareholders. It’s all about money money money, good products and respect for the customer be dammed. Cook was a fantastic choice to fill Apple’s coffers, but an awful one for those who identify with Apple’s (old) values of making something good.

geodel 4y ago
Customers have a dozen companies to chose from that would respect them. Or are you saying Apple customers are specifically those who do not like respect nowadays.
- latexr 4y ago
  > Or are you saying Apple customers are specifically those who do not like respect nowadays. That’s such a leading question, I’m genuinely wondering if you’re arguing in good faith. I’m saying neither of those. I’m talking about how Apple’s leadership transition from Jobs to Cook changed focus from what the company used to do best.
infofarmer 4y ago
At certain levels of power, all you need to achieve virtual sainthood is to remain a decent human being.
_yb2s 4y ago
As a longtime apple customer, the quality and innovation in my M1 pro is absolutely in line with their old values.
- newaccount74 4y ago
  Yes! Finally Apple found a way to enforce the VM limit from the macOS EULA. I'm so glad I have to buy extra Macs for testing my software now!
- latexr 4y ago
  Yes, I agree that hardware-wise they’re on top of their game¹. I was specifically thinking of software and services, like the trend of trying to upsell you to their services when using their apps or releasing half-baked apps which go against their own Human Interface Guidelines and are never fixed. ¹ Let’s see if that continues with Evans Hankey leaving.
  - s3p 4y ago
    Which apps do that?
    - rogerkirkness 4y ago
      iCloud Web is like Google Drive with both hands tied behind it's back.
sfmike 4y ago
did he not have any decision making on going towards ARM and M chips?
rco8786 4y ago
> current Don't make this mistake. Integrity and humility have always always always been rare traits in high profile, high power leaders.
eddieroger 4y ago
Apple is a public company, and public companies are accountable to shareholders, not customers. Shareholders want it to be worth their while, so yes it's about the money. It is possible to do what's best for both, and Apple still does that plenty, but the customer of today isn't the customer of the Apple you're describing. I wish they focused more on the Mac line, and the M1 and M2 are returns to that, but Apple's making money off iPhones, not Macs.
- latexr 4y ago
  > Apple is a public company, and public companies are accountable to shareholders, not customers. Tim Cook himself, a decade ago, might have had something to say about that¹. > It is possible to do what's best for both, and Apple still does that plenty My objection is the trend more than the current state. A decade ago it would have been unthinkable to me that Apple would ever have ads in any OS. Today, I’m dreading the moment they go “full Windows” and start shoving third-party ads in Spotlight, then Safari, then the Dock². ¹ https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/tim-cook-soundly-rejects-politics-of-the-ncppr-suggests-group-sell-apples-s https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/tim-cook-soundly-rej... ² Yes, I am exaggerating to make a point. At least I hope it’s an exaggeration.
  - OnlyMortal 4y ago
    Apple isn’t an advertising company. It’s a hardware company that also does software. It’s analogous to HP of old, which is no great surprise given the founders.
    - latexr 4y ago
      > Apple isn’t an advertising company. It’s a hardware company that also does software. They could be a noodle shop. The distinction isn’t relevant to the point: they are shoving ads in our faces, from their own apps from their own OSs. Always pushing you to the subscriptions. Everything Cook does indicates it will only get worse.
    - tracker1 4y ago
edgyquant 4y ago
This is saying you don’t understand why employees try to keep the owner of a company happy. Because they own it.
lobocinza 4y ago
Because the shareholders are the owners. And I don't think it's all about money (in the short term). I believe a significant part of Apple shareholders understand the importance of brand reputation and are willing to sacrifice short term gains for sustainable long term gains.
fogforthought93 4y ago
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toyg 4y ago

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msm_ 4y ago
I don't completely understand your comment. Do you imply there's something wrong with being autistic? Or that overworking is an exclusively autistic trait? Both interpretations seems off, so I believe I missed your point. Though I suspect it's a joke that went well over my head.
- toyg 4y ago
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phantomathkg 4y ago

I don't know if I should consider he play by China Communist rules on censorship is a scandal, or not. https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/26/apple-china-website-censorship-hong-kong/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/26/apple-china-website-censorshi...

jkmcf 4y ago
If you look at what Apple has done since, diversifying production out of China, this may have been a trigger. It could also be purely supply chain stability, but Cook appears to be a more noble figure than his peers IMO. The collision of politics and business is never good though, but in most cases the company has to bow politely, at least in the near term.

remote_phone 4y ago

He did not cut his pay voluntarily. He pay was cut by the board.

andruby 4y ago
He proposed his pay cut to the board and they accepted it.

fnord77 4y ago

so, basically a competent CEO

steve76 4y ago

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