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I wonder if porn industry will first see widespread adoption of deepfakes or jump straight to AI-generated humping. "Hi PornGPT, make me a film with X actor an

I wonder if porn industry will first see widespread adoption of deepfakes or jump straight to AI-generated humping. "Hi PornGPT, make me a film with X actor and Y actor doing so-and-so, culminating after 5 minutes - I'm in a rush".

Nursie 4y ago
Deepfake celeb porn is already illegal in some countries, IIRC, after it hit the media a few years ago.
- number6 4y ago
  Even regular porn is illegal in some countries. I guess people watch it anyway.
  - hnbad 4y ago
    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make as nobody is arguing there isn't a (black) market for it. The difference between the illegality of porn and of deepfaked porn is that the former is usually based on a purely moral argument (e.g. "porn is sinful" and allowing sinful behavior "corrupts people with sin", leading to more - and worse - sinful behavior) whereas the latter is based on a lack of consent. Consent is the corner stone of most societies (it's what allows for contract law and thus the "social contract" to begin with). Note that deepfaked porn is illegal in every country in which regular porn is illegal, so clearly the concern isn't with the porn aspect of it. It's categorically more similar to revenge "porn" or CSAM in that the subjects of it don't (or can't) consent to its distribution (or even creation). Also note that in countries where deepfaked porn is illegal but regular porn is not, deepfaked porn produced with the consent of the actors and those lending their faces would usually be legal. Consent matters.
    - gitanovic 4y ago
      It's anyhow a moral argument, just based on different values. For example can you imagine to have sex with someone? Do you need their consent? How is it so much different to produce a deepfake for your own consumption only? I personally agree that consent matters, but I see many ways to contrast that argument
    - pmayrgundter 4y ago
      With you there, to a point. It's ironic and revealing that nobody actually consents to a social contract then. Closest most come is voting, and perhaps that implicitly validates the laws. But that's not really consent. So maybe this consent assumption is not so strong!
      - hnbad 4y ago
        Oh, I agree that states aren't consensual in practice, neither is capitalism. That's why I'm an anarchist. But philosophically the justification for a state's existence is the mythical social contract and most modern states require some level of consent for contracts within their legal systems to be legitimate (e.g. can't be made under the legal definition of duress, which usually at least means a contract is invalid if the other party is literally holding a gun to your head).
        pmayrgundter 4y ago
        cool
- js8 4y ago
  I wonder, it seems to me it's not really the videos that are harmful, but rather labeling them as being some specific person without their consent.
- rich_sasha 4y ago
  I get the impression legality comes second to profits in the porn industry. AI becomes so commoditised so quickly. It doesn't feel like we are a long way from text-to-video available in open source. Then all it takes is someone with a big stash of training data to train it, and voila. Deepfake porn seems like more of a cottage industry.

Nursie 4y ago

Deepfake celeb porn is already illegal in some countries, IIRC, after it hit the media a few years ago.

number6 4y ago
Even regular porn is illegal in some countries. I guess people watch it anyway.
- hnbad 4y ago
  I'm not sure what point you're trying to make as nobody is arguing there isn't a (black) market for it. The difference between the illegality of porn and of deepfaked porn is that the former is usually based on a purely moral argument (e.g. "porn is sinful" and allowing sinful behavior "corrupts people with sin", leading to more - and worse - sinful behavior) whereas the latter is based on a lack of consent. Consent is the corner stone of most societies (it's what allows for contract law and thus the "social contract" to begin with). Note that deepfaked porn is illegal in every country in which regular porn is illegal, so clearly the concern isn't with the porn aspect of it. It's categorically more similar to revenge "porn" or CSAM in that the subjects of it don't (or can't) consent to its distribution (or even creation). Also note that in countries where deepfaked porn is illegal but regular porn is not, deepfaked porn produced with the consent of the actors and those lending their faces would usually be legal. Consent matters.
  - gitanovic 4y ago
    It's anyhow a moral argument, just based on different values. For example can you imagine to have sex with someone? Do you need their consent? How is it so much different to produce a deepfake for your own consumption only? I personally agree that consent matters, but I see many ways to contrast that argument
  - pmayrgundter 4y ago
    With you there, to a point. It's ironic and revealing that nobody actually consents to a social contract then. Closest most come is voting, and perhaps that implicitly validates the laws. But that's not really consent. So maybe this consent assumption is not so strong!
    - hnbad 4y ago
      Oh, I agree that states aren't consensual in practice, neither is capitalism. That's why I'm an anarchist. But philosophically the justification for a state's existence is the mythical social contract and most modern states require some level of consent for contracts within their legal systems to be legitimate (e.g. can't be made under the legal definition of duress, which usually at least means a contract is invalid if the other party is literally holding a gun to your head).
      - pmayrgundter 4y ago
        cool
js8 4y ago
I wonder, it seems to me it's not really the videos that are harmful, but rather labeling them as being some specific person without their consent.
rich_sasha 4y ago
I get the impression legality comes second to profits in the porn industry. AI becomes so commoditised so quickly. It doesn't feel like we are a long way from text-to-video available in open source. Then all it takes is someone with a big stash of training data to train it, and voila. Deepfake porn seems like more of a cottage industry.