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My vote is on Nim. Python like syntax with C++ speed. Unknown enough, but still not too new or obscure.

girvo 4y ago
My vote is for Nim too, but I'm decidedly biased. It's allowed us to do things in embedded that would've taken 3, 4 times as long and with more developers to achieve in C++.
xhevahir 4y ago
The community gives me pause. Nim's BDFL seems to have a habit of driving away prominent users of the language. Programmers who had contributed to the compiler have made their own hostile fork, and two of the three people who have written book-length introductions to the language have either given up on Nim or been tempted to do so. (The third is the BDFL himself.) If anyone cares, here's some comments from one of those authors: https://github.com/StefanSalewski/NimProgrammingBook/issues/10 https://github.com/StefanSalewski/NimProgrammingBook/issues/... . And from the other: https://twitter.com/d0m96/status/1592827547582332929?t=IqKBzSp9Gum1NuAnN2GO3w&s=19 https://twitter.com/d0m96/status/1592827547582332929?t=IqKBz... . These quarrels with Araq differ obviously, but both are pretty discouraging as far as Nim's prospects are concerned.
- VectorLock 4y ago
  Asserting that the English language can't evolve is a weird take from someone who is trying to evolve a programming language.
- zmmmmm 4y ago
  Interesting. I saw shades of this when I tried porting a tool over to Nim, found it was much slower than trivial code in Python and Groovy, then stumbled into this discussion: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/9026 https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/9026 Nothing as strong as the above but it definitely rubbed me the wrong way. So much advertising about Nim being efficient/fast and the default way to read a file is incredibly slow and inefficient .... and they don't care.
  - planetis 4y ago
    That issue is about readLine specifically right? Not reading a file in general. The only time I get to ever use readLine is to solve adventofcode problems.
- planetis 4y ago
  That's really petty argument against nim and it makes me sad really. 'Hostile' fork isn't true, just a fork. I wish you the best.
  - xhevahir 4y ago
    Most language fail to gain traction for reasons that don't have anything to do with the design of the language itself--even "petty" ones, such as the tactlessness of the people in charge. I don't want to use a technology which few other people use and which has, in my estimation, an unpromising future.

My vote is for Nim too, but I'm decidedly biased. It's allowed us to do things in embedded that would've taken 3, 4 times as long and with more developers to achieve in C++.

xhevahir 4y ago

The community gives me pause. Nim's BDFL seems to have a habit of driving away prominent users of the language. Programmers who had contributed to the compiler have made their own hostile fork, and two of the three people who have written book-length introductions to the language have either given up on Nim or been tempted to do so. (The third is the BDFL himself.) If anyone cares, here's some comments from one of those authors: https://github.com/StefanSalewski/NimProgrammingBook/issues/10 https://github.com/StefanSalewski/NimProgrammingBook/issues/... . And from the other: https://twitter.com/d0m96/status/1592827547582332929?t=IqKBzSp9Gum1NuAnN2GO3w&s=19 https://twitter.com/d0m96/status/1592827547582332929?t=IqKBz... . These quarrels with Araq differ obviously, but both are pretty discouraging as far as Nim's prospects are concerned.

VectorLock 4y ago
Asserting that the English language can't evolve is a weird take from someone who is trying to evolve a programming language.
zmmmmm 4y ago
Interesting. I saw shades of this when I tried porting a tool over to Nim, found it was much slower than trivial code in Python and Groovy, then stumbled into this discussion: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/9026 https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/9026 Nothing as strong as the above but it definitely rubbed me the wrong way. So much advertising about Nim being efficient/fast and the default way to read a file is incredibly slow and inefficient .... and they don't care.
- planetis 4y ago
  That issue is about readLine specifically right? Not reading a file in general. The only time I get to ever use readLine is to solve adventofcode problems.
planetis 4y ago
That's really petty argument against nim and it makes me sad really. 'Hostile' fork isn't true, just a fork. I wish you the best.
- xhevahir 4y ago
  Most language fail to gain traction for reasons that don't have anything to do with the design of the language itself--even "petty" ones, such as the tactlessness of the people in charge. I don't want to use a technology which few other people use and which has, in my estimation, an unpromising future.