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As long as you don't mind supporting evil organizations and being subject to continuous prostilitizing. I find it difficult to believe that someone who is depre

As long as you don't mind supporting evil organizations and being subject to continuous prostilitizing. I find it difficult to believe that someone who is depressed needs to hear that they're a sinner heading to hell unless they accept whatever precepts the particular church is pushing.

ekam 4y ago
Not even a christian but painting all churches as "evil organizations" is super inflammatory and unfair
- iosystem 4y ago
  Evil is subjective. Some people think churches are evil while others think the opposite.
  - ekam 4y ago
    Some churches have done evil things, others have immensely benefitted their community. Arguments that uniformly paint independent groups of people with a broad stroke of immorality are usually irrational because people aren't monoliths and don't behave a single way, especially churches which are operated in a decentralized and independent fashion (eg my small city has 50+ churches, all operated by separate groups). OP's comment is just as irrational as the people who say "all women are x, all minorities/white people are y, etc. The fact that some people may subscribe to these irrational beliefs is neither here nor there.
    - freshpots 4y ago
      Irrational is one who believes in things without evidence, aka faith.
      - nostromo123 4y ago
        Well, if you want to go down that road, someone's belief that they identify as a woman despite being xy is also irrational...
citilife 4y ago
> As long as you don't mind supporting evil organizations and being subject to continuous prostilitizing. lol really? Define evil. I view evil as anything that leads to disorder in the world (death, destruction, etc); churches do not do that - they often build people up, build in the community, etc. > I find it difficult to believe that someone who is depressed needs to hear that they're a sinner heading to hell unless they accept whatever precepts the particular church is pushing. I'm fairly certain 99% of them preach the opposite? They'll say "here are all the bad things we do", "we are saved because we attempt to do good and believe in God [or if christian - Jesus sacrificed himself for all people, living and dead]" Christians really preach self-reflection and atonement - aka be humble. Frankly, the world can use more of that.

ekam 4y ago

Not even a christian but painting all churches as "evil organizations" is super inflammatory and unfair

iosystem 4y ago
Evil is subjective. Some people think churches are evil while others think the opposite.
- ekam 4y ago
  Some churches have done evil things, others have immensely benefitted their community. Arguments that uniformly paint independent groups of people with a broad stroke of immorality are usually irrational because people aren't monoliths and don't behave a single way, especially churches which are operated in a decentralized and independent fashion (eg my small city has 50+ churches, all operated by separate groups). OP's comment is just as irrational as the people who say "all women are x, all minorities/white people are y, etc. The fact that some people may subscribe to these irrational beliefs is neither here nor there.
  - freshpots 4y ago
    Irrational is one who believes in things without evidence, aka faith.
    - nostromo123 4y ago
      Well, if you want to go down that road, someone's belief that they identify as a woman despite being xy is also irrational...

citilife 4y ago

> As long as you don't mind supporting evil organizations and being subject to continuous prostilitizing. lol really? Define evil. I view evil as anything that leads to disorder in the world (death, destruction, etc); churches do not do that - they often build people up, build in the community, etc. > I find it difficult to believe that someone who is depressed needs to hear that they're a sinner heading to hell unless they accept whatever precepts the particular church is pushing. I'm fairly certain 99% of them preach the opposite? They'll say "here are all the bad things we do", "we are saved because we attempt to do good and believe in God [or if christian - Jesus sacrificed himself for all people, living and dead]" Christians really preach self-reflection and atonement - aka be humble. Frankly, the world can use more of that.