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Don't like the communist decals on the site, but otherwise looks pretty grand!

by Ruq 4y ago

colom 4y ago
It's relevant to Alexandra Elbakyan's rationale for creating and maintaining the Sci-Hub project: https://brownpoliticalreview.org/2021/04/fighting-for-communism-in-science-bpr-interviews-alexandra-elbakyan/ https://brownpoliticalreview.org/2021/04/fighting-for-commun...
- yesenadam 4y ago
  From that link: "AE: Although the Soviet Union collapsed, the communist ideology remained strong, so I grew up in an environment where communism was still an inspiring idea. Hence, I always understood Sci-Hub as a communist project. The first version of Sci-Hub even had a small hammer and a sickle on the website, and if you hovered a mouse over it, text would pop up stating, “The communist society…is based upon common ownership of the means of production with free access to articles of consumption” Knowledge today has become the private property of corporations such as the publisher Elsevier. These corporations are making a lot of money, while researchers are poor and exploited. Sci-Hub is against all of this. Knowledge belongs to everyone and all people should have equal access to it. Sci-Hub is fighting for communism in science."
- arp242 4y ago
  Her political ideas are still nuts though. "Why Stalin is God"[1] is the most marked example; e.g. "He [Stalin] created a communist paradise for righteous people, while bad people were sent to GULAG.", or "Someone may disagree by saying: there was a censorship in the Soviet Union, and it was impossible to say anything against Stalin - therefore everyone loved him. However, we must admit: the censorship was done by the people - there must be someone who sends you to prison if you don't love Stalin. Stalin obviously couldn't do this himself, on the contrary, that was done by other people for Stalin, because he was loved very strongly." I'm not even going to spend time addressing this nonsense; it should be obvious to everyone with knowledge of Stalin Russia what's wrong with this. This article is an apologetic for evil. Sci-Hub is used as apologetics for evil. I wouldn't have minded so much if she just uses her own website for this kind of drivel, but she uses Sci-Hub. I'm pretty sure people's responses would be different with s/Stalin/Hitler/. I don't see why it's all that different; both were genocidal mass-murderers. I know everyone here loves Sci-Hub, and I like the idea of it too. Everyone can make their own decision based on this, but for me, personally, I find it hard to support a site that explicitly defends evil in such a way. [1]: https://sci-hub.ru/why-stalin-is-god https://sci-hub.ru/why-stalin-is-god
  - foverzar 4y ago
    > Her political ideas are still nuts though. Ugh, there are no "political ideas" here. Why does western culture always insist on viewing everything through political or ideological lens? You realise that you are literally the only ones who does that? No one else is that bothered with proper virtue signalling at the expense of objectivity. > apologetics for evil You're reasoning in childish categories. It's not what is going on here. > I wouldn't have minded so much if she just uses her own website for this kind of drivel, but she uses Sci-Hub. Sci-Hub IS her own website, deal with it. > I'm pretty sure people's responses would be different with s/Stalin/Hitler/. I don't see why it's all that different; both were genocidal mass-murderers. Why do "people's responses" even matter here? Objective reality exists in the synergy of cause-effect relations. I don't know that your "knowledge of Stalin Russia" (which in itself is a factual error, it's "Stalin's USSR") is, but denying the historical fact that he had a personality cult (which just by definition imples enough love) is just as dishonest as denying that Hitler was loved and supported in Europe and in the US for a long time, not in the least for his antagonism towards the above-mentioned USSR. The fact that they were genocidal mass-murdurers does not eject them from history and context directly into the vacuum. Even if it upsets some people who love to pinpoint all the blame to "a single evil person", despite that history would have just as well produced someone similar given the circumstance if the above-mentioned evil person didn't exist. It's just an assessment of a historical process, nothing more.
voz_ 4y ago
Communism saved me and my entire family from peasantry.
- uwagar 4y ago
  how? tell us more
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    [flagged]
  - whatshisface 4y ago
    Killing huge numbers of middle class families and drawing wealth inwards to Moscow was bad overall, but the small number of remaining positions were occupied by different people. It worked the same way in China, because somebody has to design the bridges no matter how many of the previous bridge designers you get rid of.
  - rfrec0n 4y ago
    Surprisingly, China has lifted some 800 million people from poverty so it does happen. I'm not a communist and wouldn't prefer a communist country but I've gotta give credit where it's due.
    - arp242 4y ago
      That only happened after it embraced the free market and capitalism though. Communist China was, as you say, quite poor for decades. Capitalism can take many forms and is often tempered with more socialist policies. No country – including the United States" is "pure capitalist". China has its own spin on capitalism, but that doesn't make it not-capitalism.
      - thomas_ma 4y ago
        I mostly agree with you on this, although I do think in the case of modern China to be intellectually honest one has to be careful to not attribute all the good things to capitalism and all the bad things to communism.

Don't like the communist decals on the site, but otherwise looks pretty grand!

by Ruq 4y ago

Don't like the communist decals on the site, but otherwise looks pretty grand!

It's relevant to Alexandra Elbakyan's rationale for creating and maintaining the Sci-Hub project: https://brownpoliticalreview.org/2021/04/fighting-for-communism-in-science-bpr-interviews-alexandra-elbakyan/ https://brownpoliticalreview.org/2021/04/fighting-for-commun...

yesenadam 4y ago
From that link: "AE: Although the Soviet Union collapsed, the communist ideology remained strong, so I grew up in an environment where communism was still an inspiring idea. Hence, I always understood Sci-Hub as a communist project. The first version of Sci-Hub even had a small hammer and a sickle on the website, and if you hovered a mouse over it, text would pop up stating, “The communist society…is based upon common ownership of the means of production with free access to articles of consumption” Knowledge today has become the private property of corporations such as the publisher Elsevier. These corporations are making a lot of money, while researchers are poor and exploited. Sci-Hub is against all of this. Knowledge belongs to everyone and all people should have equal access to it. Sci-Hub is fighting for communism in science."
arp242 4y ago
Her political ideas are still nuts though. "Why Stalin is God"[1] is the most marked example; e.g. "He [Stalin] created a communist paradise for righteous people, while bad people were sent to GULAG.", or "Someone may disagree by saying: there was a censorship in the Soviet Union, and it was impossible to say anything against Stalin - therefore everyone loved him. However, we must admit: the censorship was done by the people - there must be someone who sends you to prison if you don't love Stalin. Stalin obviously couldn't do this himself, on the contrary, that was done by other people for Stalin, because he was loved very strongly." I'm not even going to spend time addressing this nonsense; it should be obvious to everyone with knowledge of Stalin Russia what's wrong with this. This article is an apologetic for evil. Sci-Hub is used as apologetics for evil. I wouldn't have minded so much if she just uses her own website for this kind of drivel, but she uses Sci-Hub. I'm pretty sure people's responses would be different with s/Stalin/Hitler/. I don't see why it's all that different; both were genocidal mass-murderers. I know everyone here loves Sci-Hub, and I like the idea of it too. Everyone can make their own decision based on this, but for me, personally, I find it hard to support a site that explicitly defends evil in such a way. [1]: https://sci-hub.ru/why-stalin-is-god https://sci-hub.ru/why-stalin-is-god
- foverzar 4y ago
  > Her political ideas are still nuts though. Ugh, there are no "political ideas" here. Why does western culture always insist on viewing everything through political or ideological lens? You realise that you are literally the only ones who does that? No one else is that bothered with proper virtue signalling at the expense of objectivity. > apologetics for evil You're reasoning in childish categories. It's not what is going on here. > I wouldn't have minded so much if she just uses her own website for this kind of drivel, but she uses Sci-Hub. Sci-Hub IS her own website, deal with it. > I'm pretty sure people's responses would be different with s/Stalin/Hitler/. I don't see why it's all that different; both were genocidal mass-murderers. Why do "people's responses" even matter here? Objective reality exists in the synergy of cause-effect relations. I don't know that your "knowledge of Stalin Russia" (which in itself is a factual error, it's "Stalin's USSR") is, but denying the historical fact that he had a personality cult (which just by definition imples enough love) is just as dishonest as denying that Hitler was loved and supported in Europe and in the US for a long time, not in the least for his antagonism towards the above-mentioned USSR. The fact that they were genocidal mass-murdurers does not eject them from history and context directly into the vacuum. Even if it upsets some people who love to pinpoint all the blame to "a single evil person", despite that history would have just as well produced someone similar given the circumstance if the above-mentioned evil person didn't exist. It's just an assessment of a historical process, nothing more.

voz_ 4y ago

Communism saved me and my entire family from peasantry.

uwagar 4y ago
how? tell us more
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  [flagged]
- whatshisface 4y ago
  Killing huge numbers of middle class families and drawing wealth inwards to Moscow was bad overall, but the small number of remaining positions were occupied by different people. It worked the same way in China, because somebody has to design the bridges no matter how many of the previous bridge designers you get rid of.
- rfrec0n 4y ago
  Surprisingly, China has lifted some 800 million people from poverty so it does happen. I'm not a communist and wouldn't prefer a communist country but I've gotta give credit where it's due.
  - arp242 4y ago
    That only happened after it embraced the free market and capitalism though. Communist China was, as you say, quite poor for decades. Capitalism can take many forms and is often tempered with more socialist policies. No country – including the United States" is "pure capitalist". China has its own spin on capitalism, but that doesn't make it not-capitalism.
    - thomas_ma 4y ago
      I mostly agree with you on this, although I do think in the case of modern China to be intellectually honest one has to be careful to not attribute all the good things to capitalism and all the bad things to communism.