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Industrial scale electrolyzers exist now and are being deployed. The rest of the your post is just attacking strawmen. None of those problems exist at the scale
by _hypx 4y ago
Industrial scale electrolyzers exist now and are being deployed. The rest of the your post is just attacking strawmen. None of those problems exist at the scale that you think they exist. For instance, fuel cells are already lasting tens of thousands of hours, so they are well past being durable enough for cars or other vehicles.
We are also not discussing the viability of EVs and hydrogen cars right now, but what will happen in the future. After all, the start of this conversation is about Toyota somehow missing the boat on EVs. But people are forgetting that EVs are not the final step in the evolution of cars.
In reality, people are just repeating similar claims against hydrogen vehicles as people in the past have against EVs. The problem is that EVs have their own fundamental weaknesses that will probably never be solved. Those weaknesses will eventually require an alternative, of which the most likely is hydrogen. In that case then, Toyota is not missing out on anything.
- theshrike79 4y ago_Static_ fuel cells are lasting tens of thousands of hours. The big ones you use at factories. The Toyota Mirai, which is the crown jewel hydrogen vehicle at the moment, has only 5000 hour life span on its fuel cell. You'd think they'd install one of those tens of thousands of hours one in it if they could?
- _hypx 4y ago5000 hours * 50 mph is 250,000 miles. That's plenty.
- theshrike79 4y agoThe hours start running from the second you start the car. You're not gunning it at 50mph for the full 5000 hours.
- _hypx 4y agoThat's utter nonsense. These things are rated at a specific power output. People have actually driven them to very high mileage and not seen such dramatic declines. Not to mention that these things degrade similar to batteries, with a slow reduction in power rather than sudden death.