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There's only one element above lithium on the periodic table. If there's a replacement for lithium, it is hydrogen. Most of what you say is not that different

by _hypx 4y ago

There's only one element above lithium on the periodic table. If there's a replacement for lithium, it is hydrogen. Most of what you say is not that different than what people said about batteries. Let's not forget that li-ion batteries are really hard to make and have their own major challenges, and for a long while seemed like a terrible idea. The story is basically repeating with anti-hydrogen arguments. This includes the dumbest of them all: that it is just a conspiracy by oil companies. Last I checked, there is no carbon in hydrogen, and "novel liquid fuels" will imply adding carbon to it. So either it is not a conspiracy by the oil companies, or the oil companies were right all along.

askvictor 4y ago
Given your seeming misunderstanding of chemistry, I'm not going to debate any further, but for the sake of others reading, I'll point out that there are two elements above Lithium (Hydrogen and Helium), and that Lithium is a (solid at room temperature) metal makes all the difference. And the fact that Lithium not being burnt as a fuel like H2 (thus requiring fuel storage and refueling), but instead as part of a compound that is used for energy storage.
- _hypx 4y ago
  You are misreading my statement. There is literally only one element directly above lithium on the periodic table. I was not referring to atomic mass. Hydrogen is not burned in a fuel cell. It works the same way as lithium does in an li-ion battery. However, you can use hydrogen in a combustion engine, also as a compound for energy storage. Also, "fuel storage and refueling" is a huge advantage because you don't need to worry about slow recharging. This is often seen as an advantage.
  - CydeWeys 4y ago
    What argument do you think you're making here by referring to the layout of the periodic table? You might rather refer to a color-coded periodic table which shows which elements are gases and which are solids at room temperature. That's a much more relevant concern than whatever you're trying to say.
    - _hypx 4y ago
      The point is that any material below lithium on the periodic table will likely result in a lower energy density battery chemistry. If you want something fundamentally superior than li-ion, there's really only one option. Hence why any replacement for li-ion is likely to heavily emphasize hydrogen.

by _hypx 4y ago

askvictor 4y ago

Given your seeming misunderstanding of chemistry, I'm not going to debate any further, but for the sake of others reading, I'll point out that there are two elements above Lithium (Hydrogen and Helium), and that Lithium is a (solid at room temperature) metal makes all the difference. And the fact that Lithium not being burnt as a fuel like H2 (thus requiring fuel storage and refueling), but instead as part of a compound that is used for energy storage.

_hypx 4y ago
You are misreading my statement. There is literally only one element directly above lithium on the periodic table. I was not referring to atomic mass. Hydrogen is not burned in a fuel cell. It works the same way as lithium does in an li-ion battery. However, you can use hydrogen in a combustion engine, also as a compound for energy storage. Also, "fuel storage and refueling" is a huge advantage because you don't need to worry about slow recharging. This is often seen as an advantage.
- CydeWeys 4y ago
  What argument do you think you're making here by referring to the layout of the periodic table? You might rather refer to a color-coded periodic table which shows which elements are gases and which are solids at room temperature. That's a much more relevant concern than whatever you're trying to say.
  - _hypx 4y ago
    The point is that any material below lithium on the periodic table will likely result in a lower energy density battery chemistry. If you want something fundamentally superior than li-ion, there's really only one option. Hence why any replacement for li-ion is likely to heavily emphasize hydrogen.