Yeah, I don't see how it's like post-electrification VW. Pre-electrification, yes VW had the blinders on, and acted, well, criminally. I hope VW pivoted in t

Yeah, I don't see how it's like post-electrification VW. Pre-electrification, yes VW had the blinders on, and acted, well, criminally. I hope VW pivoted in time to survive this transition. Minus the software issues, the ID.4 is an awesome EV - incredibly well built and premium feeling and drives absolutely great. The ID.Buzz is like a dream car for me. As for Toyota, the sheer amount of FUD and deception they have engaged in around EVs, topped off by the preposterous claim that hybrids are superior because they are "self-charging, has left me with little sympathy for them. However, they are still a massive force in the automotive world, and a great number of people trust them to make affordable and reliable cars, and more affordable EV options are what the world needs, not another monster electric SUV. Toyota has the manufacturing heft to deliver that, and to the extent that they do, I hope they stick around.