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Beauvais Cathedral
- satiric 4y agoIn the 1920s there was a plan going around to build an episcopal cathedral in Seattle, WA. Construction started in 1928, but when the stock market crashed in 1929 they ran low on funds. So they finished the crossing, hurriedly built some walls around it, and created what some call a "holy box" rather than a traditional cathedral. It's known as St Mark's Cathedral; worth a visit if you're in the area and you're interested in cathedrals.
- xwolfi 4y agoSounds as horrid as the cathedral they built in Rouen (to refocus the discussion on France, you went a bit off course) on the location of Joan of Arc's british stake. It's as if the English had come back again and build something that fit their (usual lack of) taste as yet another insult to Joan :D https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89glise_Sainte-Jeanne-d%27Arc_de_Rouen https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89glise_Sainte-Jeanne-d%... I think the idea is that it should look like a flame.
- giraffe_lady 4y agoFor a second I thought this was gonna be the brutalist cathedral in royan. I like that one fairly well, it's wild in person.
- flir 4y agoWhatever that is, it's not English.
- miniwark 4y agoThis sort of post-war concrete church where generally build with the interior in mind. Look at the photographs of the inside, with the stained glass of the previous church.
- neilv 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Mark%27s_Episcopal_Cathedral,_Seattle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Mark%27s_Episcopal_Cathedr...
- kerpotgh 4y agoI was there earlier this year, lots of it was under construction but we still got to see the astronomical clock.
- BrandoElFollito 4y agoI visited it twice when going to/from the airport. It was well pre-COVID, probably 2017 or 18. It was heavily under works, it was interesting to see huge iron and wooden horizontal poles supporting the columns and walls. I did not know it was still worked on, this list be a massive renovation.
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- jefftk 4y agoGood example of Chesterton's Fence: Lateral iron supports between the flying buttresses: it is not known when these external tie rods were installed. The technology would have been available at the time of the initial construction, but the extra support might not have been considered necessary until after the collapse in 1284, or even later. In the 1960s, the tie rods were removed; the thinking was that they were ungraceful and unnecessary. However, the oscillations created by the wind became amplified, and the choir partially disassociated itself from the transept. Subsequently, the tie rods were reinstalled, but this time with rods made of steel. Since steel is less ductile than iron, the structure became more rigid, possibly causing additional fissures.
- hansvm 4y agoIn this case, a fence plus a bit of luck. It's unlikely they knew at installation that iron was more suitable than a more rigid steel due to second-order effects.
- giraffe_lady 4y agoyah but chesty's fence is about what it does not the reasoning behind it being made. if someone makes a fence to keep out ghosts and it keeps out wolves instead, the second part is what you need to figure out before you tear it down.
- tshaddox 4y ago> if someone makes a fence to keep out ghosts and it keeps out wolves instead, the second part is what you need to figure out before you tear it down. The problem is how long do you keep researching? What if your diligent research eventually discovers the wolf effect, but that whole time the fence was also a massive danger because it provided no means of fast egress in the event of a fire?
- giraffe_lady 4y agoThen you tear it down? It's about how you shouldn't assume something is pointless because you don't immediately see the purpose, not an edict for open-ended conservatism. I was pointing out that "the original intent" and "the current purpose" aren't necessary the same, but you're still stuck alone with your own judgement for the rest.
- 13of40 4y agoWhen I saw the picture, my first though was of the one in Le Mans: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g187195-d5058176-Reviews-Cathedrale_de_Saint_Julien_de_Mans-Le_Mans_City_Le_Mans_Sarthe_Pays_de_la_Loire.html https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g187195-d50581... In my cartoon understanding of physics, it boggles the mind that these things wouldn't just collapse into a pile of rocks.
- ljsocal 4y agoThanks for posting this. Based on your post, I jumped a train from Paris and spent the day tooling around Beauvais (charming city!) and caught the 1100 Mass. it was about 30° inside so a record for the coldest service I’ve ever attended.
- dtagames 4y agoThis was fab and thanks for posting it. Unless you've been in one of these gothic cathedrals, it's hard to imagine the impact that the architecture has -- both inside and out. You can definitely see that the purpose was to communicate the idea of something higher and grander than mankind. They're a fabulous commentary on the power of architecture is general. I've visited Notre Dame, Sainte-Chapelle, and Chartres and now Beauvais is on my bucket list!
- lazyweb 4y agoReminds me of the final level of Serious Sam: The 2nd Encounter. Love that game.
- vincebowdren 4y agoThe comparison with the previous cathedral, the Basse Œuvre - which is still there - is astonishing. In this photo, that's the tiny-looking red-tile-roofed building on the left: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cath%C3%A9drale_Saint-Pierre_de_Beauvais_(1).jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cath%C3%A9drale_Sain... It really shows how building technology had advanced in just a few centuries.