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> And yet all of the actual institutionalized policies that consider race, favor non-whites or non-Asians. In case you couldn't guess, the point is to support

> And yet all of the actual institutionalized policies that consider race, favor non-whites or non-Asians. In case you couldn't guess, the point is to support systemically marginalized groups. white and asian people have not been subject to slavery, jim crow laws, sundown laws, redlining, voter disenfranchisement, targeted mass incarceration, etc. I'll answer your question after you respond to literally any of the things I've said so far in my comments. And I've got some questions for you: Why should I believe that someone who claims that white supremacy doesn't even exist cares about EEOC complaints? Do you think that such disingenuous questions convey your points more effectively, or less? Is there a reason that each new reply shifts the rhetorical goalposts?

yucky 4y ago
> In case you couldn't guess, the point is to support systemically marginalized groups. white and asian people have not been subject to slavery, jim crow laws, sundown laws, redlining, voter disenfranchisement, targeted mass incarceration, etc. Why are you pretending FDR and the Democrats didn't round up Asian Americans, strip them of their possessions and throw them into internment camps during World War II, simply because of their race? And what about all of the discrimination faced by Jews (who are white)? See this is the problem with supporting policies that favor people based on their race. It always ends badly and causes racial animosity.
- mrtesthah 4y ago
  Why do you think I’m pretending I’m not? The real problem is that you’re implicitly taking the position that aiding specific groups of people is a zero-sum game. Should the US government give reparations for what they did to Japanese americans during WWII? Absolutely. Should germany and other european countries give reparations for Jewish families as a result of the holocaust? Absolutely. Do poor white americans from appalachia deserve economic aid from the government after such prolonged disinvestment? Of course. And while it makes sense to offer these groups economic-based college admissions support, it doesn't make sense to do so purely on the basis of ethnicity/race, as those groups demonstrably don't face the same level of institutionalized discrimination as blacks. Though such measures would have been warranted for Jews and Asians for a good part of the 20th century. But guess what—none of these remedies are in conflict with each other. At no point does actively correcting the massive generational wealth and education imbalance that black americans face, take away from correcting what any other group of minoritized people is owed.
  - yucky 4y ago
    Every problem you're describing is solved by simply attaching programs to need, not skin color.

yucky 4y ago

> In case you couldn't guess, the point is to support systemically marginalized groups. white and asian people have not been subject to slavery, jim crow laws, sundown laws, redlining, voter disenfranchisement, targeted mass incarceration, etc. Why are you pretending FDR and the Democrats didn't round up Asian Americans, strip them of their possessions and throw them into internment camps during World War II, simply because of their race? And what about all of the discrimination faced by Jews (who are white)? See this is the problem with supporting policies that favor people based on their race. It always ends badly and causes racial animosity.

mrtesthah 4y ago
Why do you think I’m pretending I’m not? The real problem is that you’re implicitly taking the position that aiding specific groups of people is a zero-sum game. Should the US government give reparations for what they did to Japanese americans during WWII? Absolutely. Should germany and other european countries give reparations for Jewish families as a result of the holocaust? Absolutely. Do poor white americans from appalachia deserve economic aid from the government after such prolonged disinvestment? Of course. And while it makes sense to offer these groups economic-based college admissions support, it doesn't make sense to do so purely on the basis of ethnicity/race, as those groups demonstrably don't face the same level of institutionalized discrimination as blacks. Though such measures would have been warranted for Jews and Asians for a good part of the 20th century. But guess what—none of these remedies are in conflict with each other. At no point does actively correcting the massive generational wealth and education imbalance that black americans face, take away from correcting what any other group of minoritized people is owed.
- yucky 4y ago
  Every problem you're describing is solved by simply attaching programs to need, not skin color.