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"lots of countries" To my knowledge only Germany.

by snowpid 4y ago

fxtentacle 4y ago
Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Greece, Turkey, Senegal, Nevada in the US, and various Australian states
- LorenPechtel 4y ago
  *Parts of* Nevada--it's county choice in the rural areas (my impression is about half say yes), prohibited at the state level in the urban areas.
foldr 4y ago
UK also, in addition to sibling's list.
snowpid 4y ago
to correct me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_by_region https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_by_region
formerly_proven 4y ago
There's a bunch more and coincidentally most of them are also leading countries for human trafficking.
- godelski 4y ago
  I'm looking at Europe and I'm a bit confused how this would be a causal relationship. 9 countries have legalized prostitution: Germany, Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, and Turkey.[0] Human trafficking, in order of severity, is most linked to: Netherlands, UK, Romania, France, Germany, Bulgaria, Italy, Poland, Hungry, Portugal. From this list alone (these tend to follow power laws) there's a higher correlation with being a Bloc State than legalized prostitution. Unsurprising to see UK and Germany here considering they are not only the most wealthy countries, but also the most populous. Netherlands... well I got no answer there but this is just a quick look. Just given this quick look, I'd be shocked to learn that legalization of prostitution was a major causal factor in human trafficking. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe [1] https://www.statista.com/chart/4947/the-eus-hotspots-for-people-trafficking/ https://www.statista.com/chart/4947/the-eus-hotspots-for-peo...
  - foldr 4y ago
    It’s more than 9. It’s also legal in the blue-colored countries confusingly labeled with ‘Abolitionism’. It in fact appears to be legal in most of the countries on your human trafficking list.
    - godelski 4y ago
      I don't think it is confusing and I don't think it is what you're suggesting. The wiki explicitly says that the act of prostitution is legal but the act of procuring it is illegal. Essentially you get arrested for paying for sex. The John. This is often done so that women have more of a safety net and can feel more comfortable going to police if they are abused. In other areas if you are trafficked you might feel scared to go to the police out of fear that they will arrest you. This isn't the same as saying that prostitution is legal because the transaction is still illegal. It also doesn't resolve the issue of the correlation, which is the main point.
      - zajio1am 4y ago
        That is true in orange 'Neo-abolitionism', not in blue 'Abolitionism', where buying sex is also legal, just not 3rd-party involvement.
      - foldr 4y ago
        You can check the relevant Wikipedia pages on prostitution in e.g. Spain or the UK to see that your are misinterpreting the significance of the blue keying. It is not illegal to sell sex or to pay for sex in either of these countries (or in any of the other blue countries, as far as I’m aware).
  - zajio1am 4y ago
    I think there is some confusion about used terminology, where legalization is more like 'regulation', while many european countries do not criminalize prostitution but do not have legal framework for prostitution (e.g. 'abolitionism' in the Wikipedia link). In these countries prostitution is perfectly legal (but not necessary 3rd party involvement, which may may be used to bully prostitutes by attacking their business partners, e.g. landlords renting flats).
vestrigi 4y ago
And it’s not like that any sexually deprived young man just walks into a brothel like he walks into a pharmacy in Germany. That’s highly stigmatized and I suppose it is in the other countries as well.

"lots of countries" To my knowledge only Germany.

fxtentacle 4y ago

Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Greece, Turkey, Senegal, Nevada in the US, and various Australian states

LorenPechtel 4y ago
*Parts of* Nevada--it's county choice in the rural areas (my impression is about half say yes), prohibited at the state level in the urban areas.

foldr 4y ago

UK also, in addition to sibling's list.

snowpid 4y ago

to correct me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_by_region https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_by_region

formerly_proven 4y ago

There's a bunch more and coincidentally most of them are also leading countries for human trafficking.

godelski 4y ago
I'm looking at Europe and I'm a bit confused how this would be a causal relationship. 9 countries have legalized prostitution: Germany, Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, and Turkey.[0] Human trafficking, in order of severity, is most linked to: Netherlands, UK, Romania, France, Germany, Bulgaria, Italy, Poland, Hungry, Portugal. From this list alone (these tend to follow power laws) there's a higher correlation with being a Bloc State than legalized prostitution. Unsurprising to see UK and Germany here considering they are not only the most wealthy countries, but also the most populous. Netherlands... well I got no answer there but this is just a quick look. Just given this quick look, I'd be shocked to learn that legalization of prostitution was a major causal factor in human trafficking. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe [1] https://www.statista.com/chart/4947/the-eus-hotspots-for-people-trafficking/ https://www.statista.com/chart/4947/the-eus-hotspots-for-peo...
- foldr 4y ago
  It’s more than 9. It’s also legal in the blue-colored countries confusingly labeled with ‘Abolitionism’. It in fact appears to be legal in most of the countries on your human trafficking list.
  - godelski 4y ago
    I don't think it is confusing and I don't think it is what you're suggesting. The wiki explicitly says that the act of prostitution is legal but the act of procuring it is illegal. Essentially you get arrested for paying for sex. The John. This is often done so that women have more of a safety net and can feel more comfortable going to police if they are abused. In other areas if you are trafficked you might feel scared to go to the police out of fear that they will arrest you. This isn't the same as saying that prostitution is legal because the transaction is still illegal. It also doesn't resolve the issue of the correlation, which is the main point.
    - zajio1am 4y ago
      That is true in orange 'Neo-abolitionism', not in blue 'Abolitionism', where buying sex is also legal, just not 3rd-party involvement.
    - foldr 4y ago
      You can check the relevant Wikipedia pages on prostitution in e.g. Spain or the UK to see that your are misinterpreting the significance of the blue keying. It is not illegal to sell sex or to pay for sex in either of these countries (or in any of the other blue countries, as far as I’m aware).
- zajio1am 4y ago
  I think there is some confusion about used terminology, where legalization is more like 'regulation', while many european countries do not criminalize prostitution but do not have legal framework for prostitution (e.g. 'abolitionism' in the Wikipedia link). In these countries prostitution is perfectly legal (but not necessary 3rd party involvement, which may may be used to bully prostitutes by attacking their business partners, e.g. landlords renting flats).

vestrigi 4y ago

And it’s not like that any sexually deprived young man just walks into a brothel like he walks into a pharmacy in Germany. That’s highly stigmatized and I suppose it is in the other countries as well.