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This stack is pretty incomplete for most MVPs, as unless you're building something trivial like a landing page, you'll probably at some point also need librarie

This stack is pretty incomplete for most MVPs, as unless you're building something trivial like a landing page, you'll probably at some point also need libraries or a custom implementation for: - Validations - Translations - Error and request logging and auditing - Security (CQRS, CORS, CSRF) - Permissions and a way to integrate it with your authentication (does supabase handle this? don't know) - Email sending - Background jobs - Caching - File uploading - Rate limiting - ... Every time somebody suggests "just" Next.js, just "Remix", just "flask" or just [insert minimalist framework] I think they're either building something pretty trivial, or wasting a lot of time on rebuilding or integrating things you get for free with batteries included frameworks.

gardenhedge 4y ago
The post is literally about building an MVP. Remix isn't a minimalist framework - it's a full stack web framework.
moneywoes 4y ago
Maybe next js instead of supabase?
- burmecia 4y ago
  Next.js is more about frontend, but Supabase is more on backend. I cannot see any conflicts of the two, they can work with each other flawlessly.
  - moneywoes 4y ago
    Meant to say Nest.js sorry
Rastonbury 4y ago
That stuff isn't "hard" per se, and some of that stuff isn't even needed for a MVP, they're good to haves or only really required when you've got 100s of users (product dependant of course). If the MVP doesn't get there either iterate product or bin it
- 0xblinq 4y ago
  None of these are difficult per se. Multiple of them, working seamlessly together, having them tested, documented and battle tested is a bit more difficult. Then you think about all that time doing this could have been spent in actual business logic and it makes no sense to me anymore.
kiwicopple 4y ago
(supabase CEO) We wouldn't be the best fit for all of these, but here are some: - Validations: handled already by Postgres and if you use JSONB you can use pg_jsonschema[0] - Translations: probably won't ever be part of our stack, but for multilingual FTS we offer the pgroonga extension[1] - Permissions: we offer AuthN (email & social logins, MFA, SSO) [2] and AuthZ with Postgres RLS[3] - Background jobs: pg_cron [4] - Caching: For images we have a smart cache [5]. We'll extend this to database queries over time - File uploading: supabase storage [6] [0] pg_jsonschema: https://supabase.com/blog/pg-jsonschema-a-postgres-extension-for-json-validation https://supabase.com/blog/pg-jsonschema-a-postgres-extension... [1] pgroonga: https://pgroonga.github.io/ https://pgroonga.github.io/ [2] AuthN: https://supabase.com/docs/guides/auth/overview https://supabase.com/docs/guides/auth/overview [3] AuthZ with Postgres RLS: https://supabase.com/docs/guides/auth/row-level-security https://supabase.com/docs/guides/auth/row-level-security [4] pg_cron: https://supabase.com/docs/guides/database/extensions/pgcron https://supabase.com/docs/guides/database/extensions/pgcron [5] smart image cache: https://supabase.com/blog/storage-image-resizing-smart-cdn#smart-cdn https://supabase.com/blog/storage-image-resizing-smart-cdn#s... [6] supabase storage: https://supabase.com/storage https://supabase.com/storage
jrvarela56 4y ago
I mean, yeah you need more libraries, but I wouldn't list Formik/mobx/react-i18n/Sendgrid when talking at this level of abstraction.

gardenhedge 4y ago

The post is literally about building an MVP. Remix isn't a minimalist framework - it's a full stack web framework.

moneywoes 4y ago

Maybe next js instead of supabase?

burmecia 4y ago
Next.js is more about frontend, but Supabase is more on backend. I cannot see any conflicts of the two, they can work with each other flawlessly.
- moneywoes 4y ago
  Meant to say Nest.js sorry

Rastonbury 4y ago

That stuff isn't "hard" per se, and some of that stuff isn't even needed for a MVP, they're good to haves or only really required when you've got 100s of users (product dependant of course). If the MVP doesn't get there either iterate product or bin it

0xblinq 4y ago
None of these are difficult per se. Multiple of them, working seamlessly together, having them tested, documented and battle tested is a bit more difficult. Then you think about all that time doing this could have been spent in actual business logic and it makes no sense to me anymore.

kiwicopple 4y ago

(supabase CEO) We wouldn't be the best fit for all of these, but here are some: - Validations: handled already by Postgres and if you use JSONB you can use pg_jsonschema[0] - Translations: probably won't ever be part of our stack, but for multilingual FTS we offer the pgroonga extension[1] - Permissions: we offer AuthN (email & social logins, MFA, SSO) [2] and AuthZ with Postgres RLS[3] - Background jobs: pg_cron [4] - Caching: For images we have a smart cache [5]. We'll extend this to database queries over time - File uploading: supabase storage [6] [0] pg_jsonschema: https://supabase.com/blog/pg-jsonschema-a-postgres-extension-for-json-validation https://supabase.com/blog/pg-jsonschema-a-postgres-extension... [1] pgroonga: https://pgroonga.github.io/ https://pgroonga.github.io/ [2] AuthN: https://supabase.com/docs/guides/auth/overview https://supabase.com/docs/guides/auth/overview [3] AuthZ with Postgres RLS: https://supabase.com/docs/guides/auth/row-level-security https://supabase.com/docs/guides/auth/row-level-security [4] pg_cron: https://supabase.com/docs/guides/database/extensions/pgcron https://supabase.com/docs/guides/database/extensions/pgcron [5] smart image cache: https://supabase.com/blog/storage-image-resizing-smart-cdn#smart-cdn https://supabase.com/blog/storage-image-resizing-smart-cdn#s... [6] supabase storage: https://supabase.com/storage https://supabase.com/storage

jrvarela56 4y ago

I mean, yeah you need more libraries, but I wouldn't list Formik/mobx/react-i18n/Sendgrid when talking at this level of abstraction.