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> The radicalization appears to be more on the right Do you have data to support this? And how do you define 'radicalization'? Remember, there was an entire su

> The radicalization appears to be more on the right Do you have data to support this? And how do you define 'radicalization'? Remember, there was an entire summer of violence in cities across the US after George Floyd. If by radicalization you mean extreme political views, you'll find that those on the left are less likely to date and socialize with people on the right than vice versa. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/24/most-democrats-who-are-looking-for-a-relationship-would-not-consider-dating-a-trump-voter/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/24/most-democr...

syzarian 4y ago
The paradox of tolerance is worth reading about. The center of American politics have very much moved to the right the past 50 years. As such, a small rightward shift from the mean has the appearance of being moderate. What is considered radical left in the U.S. is left of center in European countries. By quite a large margin more women lean leftward in the U.S. than rightward. Women are more discriminating when than men when looking for partners so it is expected to see the outcome in the link you posted. Tied to the paradox of tolerance, and the definite rightward shift of the center in American politics, we see that it is expected that left leaning people are less likely to associate with right leaning people than vice versa. We had an insurrection 3 years ago that most people on the right fail to acknowledge as such. It doesn’t get much more radical than that. Far more people think Biden was illegitimately elected than that Trump was illegitimately elected. I could go on with more examples but I think it won’t be productive. Try reading about the historical political trends in the country dispassionately.
- kneebonian 4y ago
  > What is considered radical left in the U.S. is left of center in European countries. Can we just put this lie to rest. Economically maybe, socially very much not, for example abortion is much more restrictive in many parts of the EU than even Roe v Wade allowed. Or immigration, it is much harder to immigrate into Euorpe than it is to get into the US. There are dozens of other social issues Europe is far more conservative on than the US.
  - syzarian 4y ago
    Universal healthcare, paid parenting leave, much more subsidized higher education, more investments made into social programs, higher investment in infrastructure, much better environmental programs, much less militaristic, much lower incarceration rate, jails that are more humane, mandatory paid time off, much better worker protections, much better union participation and protections for unions, better consumer protections, much more sane regulations and laws regarding funding of elections. Should I write more? In terms of what the purpose and role of government is, Europe is far more classically liberal minded than the U.S. EDIT: Now that Roe has been gutted by the very conservative Supreme Court your point about abortion is very much wrong. Outside of Poland and Malta, I think Europe has much more liberal views on abortion. Especially when you consider that healthcare is generally free at the point of service there. https://www.politico.eu/article/abortion-chart-world-map-europe-law-illegal-roe-v-wade-legislation/ https://www.politico.eu/article/abortion-chart-world-map-eur...

syzarian 4y ago

The paradox of tolerance is worth reading about. The center of American politics have very much moved to the right the past 50 years. As such, a small rightward shift from the mean has the appearance of being moderate. What is considered radical left in the U.S. is left of center in European countries. By quite a large margin more women lean leftward in the U.S. than rightward. Women are more discriminating when than men when looking for partners so it is expected to see the outcome in the link you posted. Tied to the paradox of tolerance, and the definite rightward shift of the center in American politics, we see that it is expected that left leaning people are less likely to associate with right leaning people than vice versa. We had an insurrection 3 years ago that most people on the right fail to acknowledge as such. It doesn’t get much more radical than that. Far more people think Biden was illegitimately elected than that Trump was illegitimately elected. I could go on with more examples but I think it won’t be productive. Try reading about the historical political trends in the country dispassionately.

kneebonian 4y ago
> What is considered radical left in the U.S. is left of center in European countries. Can we just put this lie to rest. Economically maybe, socially very much not, for example abortion is much more restrictive in many parts of the EU than even Roe v Wade allowed. Or immigration, it is much harder to immigrate into Euorpe than it is to get into the US. There are dozens of other social issues Europe is far more conservative on than the US.
- syzarian 4y ago
  Universal healthcare, paid parenting leave, much more subsidized higher education, more investments made into social programs, higher investment in infrastructure, much better environmental programs, much less militaristic, much lower incarceration rate, jails that are more humane, mandatory paid time off, much better worker protections, much better union participation and protections for unions, better consumer protections, much more sane regulations and laws regarding funding of elections. Should I write more? In terms of what the purpose and role of government is, Europe is far more classically liberal minded than the U.S. EDIT: Now that Roe has been gutted by the very conservative Supreme Court your point about abortion is very much wrong. Outside of Poland and Malta, I think Europe has much more liberal views on abortion. Especially when you consider that healthcare is generally free at the point of service there. https://www.politico.eu/article/abortion-chart-world-map-europe-law-illegal-roe-v-wade-legislation/ https://www.politico.eu/article/abortion-chart-world-map-eur...