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Can we just agree that EV cars right now have specific use cases where they are good fit. -Mild Climate -Homeowner w/ Garage and high voltage charger -Mostly

Can we just agree that EV cars right now have specific use cases where they are good fit. -Mild Climate -Homeowner w/ Garage and high voltage charger -Mostly local driving ICE seems to be a better fit for people who drive long distances regularly, live in colder climates, and may not have easy access to a charger

blamazon 4y ago
One reason I cannot just agree is Norway, which has anything but a mild climate, a low rate of garage ownership, and a lot of long distance rural journeying to go to places like Tromsø, and yet has 8 out of 10 new car buyers selecting EVs: https://elbil.no/norway-celebrates-another-record-breaking-year-for-electric-vehicles/ https://elbil.no/norway-celebrates-another-record-breaking-y... And, in anecdata, I just did a 1000 mile road trip in my 2016 Tesla through many frigid places in the USA. It was fine. Your argument sounds a lot to me like "people don't/shouldn't ride bicycles when it's cold or snowing" and that's also demonstrably false in my opinion: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2021/01/22/meet-the-bike-loving-finnish-city-that-keeps-pedalling-even-in-the-snow https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2021/01/22/meet-the-bike-...
- fwungy 4y ago
  1) Norway is ridiculously wealthy due to its petroleum resources. 2) Norway is only 5 million in population. 3) Norwegian policy encourages EV purchases with various fees and subsidies to encourage EV and discourage ICE.
  - blamazon 4y ago
    Pointing out their unique social environment doesn't change the fact that people there are happily driving EVs that fit their lifestyle, despite living in a cold place with few garages and large rural expanses.
    - i_am_jl 4y ago
      > the fact that people there are happily driving EVs that fit their lifestyle Source? Like the commenter you replied to, I think I'd have bought an EV for my last car if my ICE car had a 70% tax applied to it, but I wouldn't be happy about it, and it would only fit my budget, not my lifestyle.
      - blamazon 4y ago
        I mean, my source is that I lived in Norway and know a lot of driving Norwegians, which I do understand is far from hard data on their true sentiments nationwide.
  - fwungy 4y ago
    Norway is the pilot country for EVs. Their adoption rates have always led the world. Again, this is due to their peculiar wealth ( they have so much money that they can destroy their economy if they spend it domestically), and public policy that supports this end.
- yywwbbn 4y ago
  > Norway A 70% tax on petrol cars will shift the scales somewhat. I really doubt 8/10 of new cars would be EVs if the VAT and purchase taxes were applied to them as for ICE cars.
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jeoqn 4y ago
Ice is a better fit for everything. You may be able to use an ev in the cases you outlined though.
cjdoc29 4y ago
"Mostly local" might need to be better defined here. I routinely do a 200mi round trip two times a week with no other commuting otherwise. The implication might be that EVs can't do long distance, but that wouldn't be true. EVs come with other conveniences too like lower maintenance demands and costs. As with all things, there are just tradeoffs. I would also expect the software to be better in non-traditional manufacturers' cars - though this is not EV specific. But... you should absolutely have a place to charge that isn't a Supercharger (or other fast charger). I think it's crazy people buy Teslas and go to the Supercharger every other day for ~30 minutes+.

blamazon 4y ago

One reason I cannot just agree is Norway, which has anything but a mild climate, a low rate of garage ownership, and a lot of long distance rural journeying to go to places like Tromsø, and yet has 8 out of 10 new car buyers selecting EVs: https://elbil.no/norway-celebrates-another-record-breaking-year-for-electric-vehicles/ https://elbil.no/norway-celebrates-another-record-breaking-y... And, in anecdata, I just did a 1000 mile road trip in my 2016 Tesla through many frigid places in the USA. It was fine. Your argument sounds a lot to me like "people don't/shouldn't ride bicycles when it's cold or snowing" and that's also demonstrably false in my opinion: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2021/01/22/meet-the-bike-loving-finnish-city-that-keeps-pedalling-even-in-the-snow https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2021/01/22/meet-the-bike-...

fwungy 4y ago
1) Norway is ridiculously wealthy due to its petroleum resources. 2) Norway is only 5 million in population. 3) Norwegian policy encourages EV purchases with various fees and subsidies to encourage EV and discourage ICE.
- blamazon 4y ago
  Pointing out their unique social environment doesn't change the fact that people there are happily driving EVs that fit their lifestyle, despite living in a cold place with few garages and large rural expanses.
  - i_am_jl 4y ago
    > the fact that people there are happily driving EVs that fit their lifestyle Source? Like the commenter you replied to, I think I'd have bought an EV for my last car if my ICE car had a 70% tax applied to it, but I wouldn't be happy about it, and it would only fit my budget, not my lifestyle.
    - blamazon 4y ago
      I mean, my source is that I lived in Norway and know a lot of driving Norwegians, which I do understand is far from hard data on their true sentiments nationwide.
- fwungy 4y ago
  Norway is the pilot country for EVs. Their adoption rates have always led the world. Again, this is due to their peculiar wealth ( they have so much money that they can destroy their economy if they spend it domestically), and public policy that supports this end.
yywwbbn 4y ago
> Norway A 70% tax on petrol cars will shift the scales somewhat. I really doubt 8/10 of new cars would be EVs if the VAT and purchase taxes were applied to them as for ICE cars.
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jeoqn 4y ago

Ice is a better fit for everything. You may be able to use an ev in the cases you outlined though.

cjdoc29 4y ago

"Mostly local" might need to be better defined here. I routinely do a 200mi round trip two times a week with no other commuting otherwise. The implication might be that EVs can't do long distance, but that wouldn't be true. EVs come with other conveniences too like lower maintenance demands and costs. As with all things, there are just tradeoffs. I would also expect the software to be better in non-traditional manufacturers' cars - though this is not EV specific. But... you should absolutely have a place to charge that isn't a Supercharger (or other fast charger). I think it's crazy people buy Teslas and go to the Supercharger every other day for ~30 minutes+.