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Following the trend :-( Time to get rid of people they don’t want, without them look bad since everybody is doing it, and also they’ll have an excuse if financi

Following the trend :-( Time to get rid of people they don’t want, without them look bad since everybody is doing it, and also they’ll have an excuse if financial results aren’t very good. IMHO it’s the retaliation of big companies to what remote working brought to all of us (freedom, better wages, quality time, escape from bad environments…).

cdumler 4y ago
Nah. It's about making your financial results look better. My company touts every quarter how not only is revenue up, profit per revenue is up, ie. we're making more money on the money we make. Yet, when it comes to compensation and dealing with cost of living, the statement is that we haven't met our targets so it's a 3% pool. Not minimum or maximum, but that for someone to get more someone else has to get less. COVID had many enlightening observations about the economy, one of which is that there was a lot of inelasticity in consumer demand versus compensation. Companies have realized that there is a lot more value to extract from employees.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  >profit per revenue is up, ie. we're making more money on the money we make. This makes no sense to me.
  - drjasonharrison 4y ago
    The amount of profit per customer or item sold has increased. Instead of just increasing the number of sales, they have increased their profit margin on each sale.
    - lotsofpulp 4y ago
      Oh, the usual way to phrase that is “increased profit margins”.
- crmd 4y ago
  At my last medium sized company there were at least a half dozen branches of “the budget”, with employees and sales people being measured against the most aggressive budget, and several levels of management adding their own buffers, and finally the board which was working off the most conservative/pessimistic revenue and profit forecasts. No idea if this is normal or not.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    It is normal because most labor sellers are not able or willing to sell their labor at a higher price to a different buyer. All that nonsense about pools and targets and budgets is just a polite way of the buyer saying “we are betting you will not quit for x number”. As a labor seller, you should always just think of employers as buyers, and negotiate the way you would in any transaction. If you think you can get more, then shop around for a different buyer. Or a different line of business if your buyers are not earning much profit themselves.
    - bobkazamakis 4y ago
      >It is normal because most labor sellers are not able or willing to sell their labor at a higher price to a different buyer. In order to sell at a high price, someone else must be buying... This market maker analogy really isn't a win.
      - lotsofpulp 4y ago
        That is covered under “are not able to sell”. And it is not a market maker analogy, it has nothing to do with market making. The point is, the buyer dictating price is “normal” because sellers often are not in a position to turn down the offer, whether it be due to them not having an option or not being willing to take a risk.
yowlingcat 4y ago
This kind of conspiratorial thinking is a fib people say to make themselves feel better. "financial results aren't very good" is the leading cause of death of most companies -- you can't just gloss over it as if preventing it isn't the leading root cause. The truth is that companies could afford a lot more less ROI positive resource investments, and yes that even extended to hiring. Now that companies are in a situation far rougher than anything we've seen in the past 15 years (end of zero interest rate policy and cheap funding), companies are scrambling to cut costs and maximize ROI on their existing costs, so that they don't die. They have to, now.
dehrmann 4y ago
Not to diminish how hard it is to be impacted by layoffs, 1.5% and 2.5% is fairly small. This really does feel more like restructuring than what the rest of tech has been seeing.
Ironlikebike 4y ago
> Time to get rid of people they don’t want, without them look bad since everybody is doing it, and also they’ll have an excuse if financial results aren’t very good. This is IBM's classic modus operandi. I worked there from 2001 - 2013 and survived 17 rounds of deep layoffs during that time. IBM constantly manipulates their financial results on the backs of their employees.

cdumler 4y ago

Nah. It's about making your financial results look better. My company touts every quarter how not only is revenue up, profit per revenue is up, ie. we're making more money on the money we make. Yet, when it comes to compensation and dealing with cost of living, the statement is that we haven't met our targets so it's a 3% pool. Not minimum or maximum, but that for someone to get more someone else has to get less. COVID had many enlightening observations about the economy, one of which is that there was a lot of inelasticity in consumer demand versus compensation. Companies have realized that there is a lot more value to extract from employees.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
>profit per revenue is up, ie. we're making more money on the money we make. This makes no sense to me.
- drjasonharrison 4y ago
  The amount of profit per customer or item sold has increased. Instead of just increasing the number of sales, they have increased their profit margin on each sale.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    Oh, the usual way to phrase that is “increased profit margins”.
crmd 4y ago
At my last medium sized company there were at least a half dozen branches of “the budget”, with employees and sales people being measured against the most aggressive budget, and several levels of management adding their own buffers, and finally the board which was working off the most conservative/pessimistic revenue and profit forecasts. No idea if this is normal or not.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  It is normal because most labor sellers are not able or willing to sell their labor at a higher price to a different buyer. All that nonsense about pools and targets and budgets is just a polite way of the buyer saying “we are betting you will not quit for x number”. As a labor seller, you should always just think of employers as buyers, and negotiate the way you would in any transaction. If you think you can get more, then shop around for a different buyer. Or a different line of business if your buyers are not earning much profit themselves.
  - bobkazamakis 4y ago
    >It is normal because most labor sellers are not able or willing to sell their labor at a higher price to a different buyer. In order to sell at a high price, someone else must be buying... This market maker analogy really isn't a win.
    - lotsofpulp 4y ago
      That is covered under “are not able to sell”. And it is not a market maker analogy, it has nothing to do with market making. The point is, the buyer dictating price is “normal” because sellers often are not in a position to turn down the offer, whether it be due to them not having an option or not being willing to take a risk.

yowlingcat 4y ago

This kind of conspiratorial thinking is a fib people say to make themselves feel better. "financial results aren't very good" is the leading cause of death of most companies -- you can't just gloss over it as if preventing it isn't the leading root cause. The truth is that companies could afford a lot more less ROI positive resource investments, and yes that even extended to hiring. Now that companies are in a situation far rougher than anything we've seen in the past 15 years (end of zero interest rate policy and cheap funding), companies are scrambling to cut costs and maximize ROI on their existing costs, so that they don't die. They have to, now.

dehrmann 4y ago

Not to diminish how hard it is to be impacted by layoffs, 1.5% and 2.5% is fairly small. This really does feel more like restructuring than what the rest of tech has been seeing.

Ironlikebike 4y ago

> Time to get rid of people they don’t want, without them look bad since everybody is doing it, and also they’ll have an excuse if financial results aren’t very good. This is IBM's classic modus operandi. I worked there from 2001 - 2013 and survived 17 rounds of deep layoffs during that time. IBM constantly manipulates their financial results on the backs of their employees.