> I go to court all the time, I'm an attorney. I admit, I loled. :) Hello, brother. I think you might want to read a little further into the thread, because I

> I go to court all the time, I'm an attorney. I admit, I loled. :) Hello, brother. I think you might want to read a little further into the thread, because I'm not saying what you think I am. I'm also an attorney and I have convicted a pro se litigant in addition to watching at least two handfuls of trials where self-represented defendants were involved. Every single time, the court provided "insane levels of deference to pro se litigants that they did not provide to attorneys." You are precisely correct except where you contradict me. Also, my experience watching trials on youtube is in fact representative of how it normally goes: I have never seen a judge act in a poor manner toward a self-represented party, on youtube or elsewhere. In the Kenosha parade murder trial, the judge was able to sigh deeply and respect the rights of the defendant, but I suspect if you or I built a fort out of books and boxes on our counsel table, or declined to wear a shirt, we would be immediately disbarred. I was only mentioning the youtube/Kenosha angle because you asked for an example.