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Unfortunately, a lot of these artists opted-in the moment they uploaded their art to the internet. Once you do that, much like uploading your source code or com

Unfortunately, a lot of these artists opted-in the moment they uploaded their art to the internet. Once you do that, much like uploading your source code or compiled binary, it's hard to reverse the consequences. All that really happened is that the consequences changed, and a lot of people weren't prepared for it. Yeah, it's disheartening. There's also no good way to fix it; the cost of storing copies of their art is negligible, and AI trains the same whether the material is copyright or creative commons. If you get Stability AI to omit your art, then Unstable Diffusion will be trained on your likeness. Opt-out of that one, and some guy in Nevada personally sponsors a bespoke model for making copies of your art. So, I agree with the parent. The most tragic part is not the short-term fight, it's the long-term consequences. Artists will have to internalize what software developers realized decades ago; creating takes work, and copying is free.

dns_snek 4y ago
> Artists will have to internalize what software developers realized decades ago; creating takes work, and copying is free. This is very dismissive, the scale is what makes the difference. You can get away with pirating all types of content for personal use. AI companies are essentially trying to legalize that, but in reverse - taking from small creators to enrich the shareholders of their billion dollar corporations. If you try to play by these rules and create a million dollar business that distributes various copyrighted content from the internet (e.g. AAA games, movies or music) you'll very quickly realize how much their stance on copyright changes.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  Distinguishing between personal use and commercial use doesn't really work though. It lets you sue certain parties into the ground, for all the good it does you, but it doesn't stop people from deriving and profiting from your work. Probably more than half the Fortune 500 companies are in brazen violation of the GPL, does that stop them from abusing it and profiting from it? Not in the slightest. Power ultimately belongs to whoever can wield it with the least friction. It's not fair or right, but it's the way they play in the business world.
tracerbulletx 4y ago
Your last sentence makes no sense, you don't think artists have been impacted by digital copying until now? Every genre of artist from music, movies, tv, photographers, and visual artists have been involved in this problem ever since the moment those art forms were digitized.

dns_snek 4y ago

> Artists will have to internalize what software developers realized decades ago; creating takes work, and copying is free. This is very dismissive, the scale is what makes the difference. You can get away with pirating all types of content for personal use. AI companies are essentially trying to legalize that, but in reverse - taking from small creators to enrich the shareholders of their billion dollar corporations. If you try to play by these rules and create a million dollar business that distributes various copyrighted content from the internet (e.g. AAA games, movies or music) you'll very quickly realize how much their stance on copyright changes.

smoldesu 4y ago
Distinguishing between personal use and commercial use doesn't really work though. It lets you sue certain parties into the ground, for all the good it does you, but it doesn't stop people from deriving and profiting from your work. Probably more than half the Fortune 500 companies are in brazen violation of the GPL, does that stop them from abusing it and profiting from it? Not in the slightest. Power ultimately belongs to whoever can wield it with the least friction. It's not fair or right, but it's the way they play in the business world.

tracerbulletx 4y ago

Your last sentence makes no sense, you don't think artists have been impacted by digital copying until now? Every genre of artist from music, movies, tv, photographers, and visual artists have been involved in this problem ever since the moment those art forms were digitized.