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Why would these oils be worse for you than others, to the point the meal becomes unhealthy?

by eddsh1994 4y ago

m0llusk 4y ago
There is a lot of argument about this. Much of the data points or may point to increased rates of death and disease but does not necessarily pinpoint the chemical reactions involved. This is not uncommon with dietary medicine. Nearly fifty years passed between "Pure, White, and Deadly" being essentially rejected and buried and Dr. Lustig's "Sugar: The Bitter Truth" becoming a runaway hit based on the extremely detailed analysis of the chemistry of sugar digestion. One red flag is that these oils are not traditionally eaten, but have been recently engineered for production using chemical processes that take advantage of high temperatures and pressures. These are engineered substances that are new to us. The most common explanation has to do with these oils being relatively easy to transform such that exposure to heat, such as in cooking or within the body, causes them to break down into substances similar to glue or shellac. Cleaners have a range of special soaps and scrubbers targeting this specific problem. Long used natural oils like butter, olive oil, and coconut oil do not break down this way or generate buildup on kitchens that requires special soaps to remove.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  I have been using canola oil and sesame oil for my whole life, and I can clean all the pots and pans with cheapest dish soap at Costco, even when frying. I have not noticed any extra cleaning or difference been those and butter.
  - m0llusk 4y ago
    You may be using relatively low temperatures. Also, the buildup is not typically on the pans but around them on the stove, counter, walls, and anywhere else that splatter from frying lands. In any case, you represent at most one anecdotal data point while there is a whole industry geared to handling this stuff. I have done a couple of thousand house cleanings or so in my career so I think my experience may have a weight that yours lacks.
aliqot 4y ago
It's because during a normal diet, you wouldn't encounter sufficient amounts of nuts to equate to that amount of nut oil, causing imbalance in your body as you're essentially concentrating the value of a lot of a specific nut. It helps to think about it in comparison to animal fats. Caveman-you had plenty of access to animal fats, and though vegetables were common, it was not likely that they'd be consumed in such high amounts to equal that level of plant fats. One your body is used to, made for, and expecting to encounter and process, one it is not. This isn't saying one side is better than the other (though I suspect it's more correct to consume animal fat in quantity than plant fat), it just means that maybe you can run your car on cooking oil, maybe it works, but maybe your engine's longevity goes up or down as a result.
jononomo 4y ago
Seed oils did not exist in the human diet prior to about 1920. They are the most ultra-processed possible things you can consume. This talk changed my life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2UnOryQiIY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2UnOryQiIY

Why would these oils be worse for you than others, to the point the meal becomes unhealthy?

There is a lot of argument about this. Much of the data points or may point to increased rates of death and disease but does not necessarily pinpoint the chemical reactions involved. This is not uncommon with dietary medicine. Nearly fifty years passed between "Pure, White, and Deadly" being essentially rejected and buried and Dr. Lustig's "Sugar: The Bitter Truth" becoming a runaway hit based on the extremely detailed analysis of the chemistry of sugar digestion. One red flag is that these oils are not traditionally eaten, but have been recently engineered for production using chemical processes that take advantage of high temperatures and pressures. These are engineered substances that are new to us. The most common explanation has to do with these oils being relatively easy to transform such that exposure to heat, such as in cooking or within the body, causes them to break down into substances similar to glue or shellac. Cleaners have a range of special soaps and scrubbers targeting this specific problem. Long used natural oils like butter, olive oil, and coconut oil do not break down this way or generate buildup on kitchens that requires special soaps to remove.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
I have been using canola oil and sesame oil for my whole life, and I can clean all the pots and pans with cheapest dish soap at Costco, even when frying. I have not noticed any extra cleaning or difference been those and butter.
- m0llusk 4y ago
  You may be using relatively low temperatures. Also, the buildup is not typically on the pans but around them on the stove, counter, walls, and anywhere else that splatter from frying lands. In any case, you represent at most one anecdotal data point while there is a whole industry geared to handling this stuff. I have done a couple of thousand house cleanings or so in my career so I think my experience may have a weight that yours lacks.

aliqot 4y ago

It's because during a normal diet, you wouldn't encounter sufficient amounts of nuts to equate to that amount of nut oil, causing imbalance in your body as you're essentially concentrating the value of a lot of a specific nut. It helps to think about it in comparison to animal fats. Caveman-you had plenty of access to animal fats, and though vegetables were common, it was not likely that they'd be consumed in such high amounts to equal that level of plant fats. One your body is used to, made for, and expecting to encounter and process, one it is not. This isn't saying one side is better than the other (though I suspect it's more correct to consume animal fat in quantity than plant fat), it just means that maybe you can run your car on cooking oil, maybe it works, but maybe your engine's longevity goes up or down as a result.

jononomo 4y ago

Seed oils did not exist in the human diet prior to about 1920. They are the most ultra-processed possible things you can consume. This talk changed my life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2UnOryQiIY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2UnOryQiIY