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we actually only have 1 option, which is that climate changes, no matter what humans do, and we can change it on the margins though are actions as well. dumpin

we actually only have 1 option, which is that climate changes, no matter what humans do, and we can change it on the margins though are actions as well. dumping gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere is geo-engineering. it is just unintentional. saying that climate change (of the anthropocentric CO2 caused variety) will necessarily be catastrophic is scientifically unsupportable. there is a possibility that it will be catastrophic, but definitely not a certainty. humans are very capable of adapting to the scientific consensus worst case estimates for temperature increase. if those worst case estimates come true the adaptation will be messy, but mostly for social and institutional reasons, not biological ones. even if humans could prevent climate change now we would almost certainly face climate change on a similar scale that we couldn't prevent at some point in the future so working on our capacity for adaptability is a better long term survival strategy in either case.

LatteLazy 4y ago
It's very clear we are not planning to stop. Given that decision, there is no need for us to lie to ourselves and pretend things will be ok, or that what we are doing is no big deal. Or that we can "adapt" our way out of being 20m under water etc...
- IcyKaiChronicle 4y ago
  20m is not catastrophic at all. Maybe the elites buying beach front properties didn't get the memo? I live well above that and I'll gladly be closer to the sea. We are lucky to live in such a time of heat. Actually that's the main reason so many of us CAN be here in the first place. In reality world what we shall fix is pollution and co2 isn't one. What we need is abundant, extremely cheap energy. But don't fret, the sun will teach you a lesson or two...
- metalspot 4y ago
  > "adapt" our way out of being 20m under water the human race could certainly adapt to 20m sea rise with zero impact on the long term survivavility of the species. we already adapted to much greater sea rise only 10,000 years ago. will societies and institutions built on the supposed "value" of waterfront properties survive? probably not. but that is a social and institutional problem, not a biological one.

LatteLazy 4y ago

It's very clear we are not planning to stop. Given that decision, there is no need for us to lie to ourselves and pretend things will be ok, or that what we are doing is no big deal. Or that we can "adapt" our way out of being 20m under water etc...

IcyKaiChronicle 4y ago
20m is not catastrophic at all. Maybe the elites buying beach front properties didn't get the memo? I live well above that and I'll gladly be closer to the sea. We are lucky to live in such a time of heat. Actually that's the main reason so many of us CAN be here in the first place. In reality world what we shall fix is pollution and co2 isn't one. What we need is abundant, extremely cheap energy. But don't fret, the sun will teach you a lesson or two...
metalspot 4y ago
> "adapt" our way out of being 20m under water the human race could certainly adapt to 20m sea rise with zero impact on the long term survivavility of the species. we already adapted to much greater sea rise only 10,000 years ago. will societies and institutions built on the supposed "value" of waterfront properties survive? probably not. but that is a social and institutional problem, not a biological one.