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> visual, smell, touch etc. don't help learn the grammars of (spoken) languages. Of course they do! These are literally the things children learn to associate

> visual, smell, touch etc. don't help learn the grammars of (spoken) languages. Of course they do! These are literally the things children learn to associate language with. "Ouch!" is what is said when you feel pain. An ML model can learn to associate the word "ouch" with the words "pain" and "feel", but it doesn't actually know what pain is, because it doesn't feel.

mcswell 4y ago
No. First off, I said grammar, not word meaning. Second, saying "Ouch" is not even language. My cat says something when I step on her paw. That doesn't mean she understands language, nor that she speaks some language. Third, you're right about pain, but an ML model can associate the word "red" with the color, and "walk" with images of people walking, and "sailboat" with certain images or videos, and plenty of other concepts. If that was what learning a language was, then AIs would understand language in lots of areas, if not in the specific domain of pain. But they don't.
OzCrimson 4y ago
Isn't it more complicated than that? "Ouch" can be a lot of things, and that's where a lot of problems crop up in the AI world. If one of my friends insults another friend, I might say,"OUCH!" I'm not in pain but I might want to express that the insult was a bit much. If someone tries to insult me and it's weak, I could reply with a dry, sarcastic "ouch." Combine that with facial expression and tone of voice and 'ouch' is highly contextual. One problem with some of the tools used to take down offensive comments on social media platforms is that they don't get context. Let's say that 'ouch' is highly offensive and you got into trouble for calling someone an "ouch." If I want to discuss the issue and agree that you were being offensive, I could get into trouble with the ML/AI tools for quoting you.

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> visual, smell, touch etc. don't help learn the grammars of (spoken) languages. Of course they do! These are literally the things children learn to associate

by hypertele-Xii 4y ago

mcswell 4y ago
No. First off, I said grammar, not word meaning. Second, saying "Ouch" is not even language. My cat says something when I step on her paw. That doesn't mean she understands language, nor that she speaks some language. Third, you're right about pain, but an ML model can associate the word "red" with the color, and "walk" with images of people walking, and "sailboat" with certain images or videos, and plenty of other concepts. If that was what learning a language was, then AIs would understand language in lots of areas, if not in the specific domain of pain. But they don't.
OzCrimson 4y ago
Isn't it more complicated than that? "Ouch" can be a lot of things, and that's where a lot of problems crop up in the AI world. If one of my friends insults another friend, I might say,"OUCH!" I'm not in pain but I might want to express that the insult was a bit much. If someone tries to insult me and it's weak, I could reply with a dry, sarcastic "ouch." Combine that with facial expression and tone of voice and 'ouch' is highly contextual. One problem with some of the tools used to take down offensive comments on social media platforms is that they don't get context. Let's say that 'ouch' is highly offensive and you got into trouble for calling someone an "ouch." If I want to discuss the issue and agree that you were being offensive, I could get into trouble with the ML/AI tools for quoting you.