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It's possible to do that without spying on your users, e.g. by storing them encrypted.
by bheadmaster 4y ago
It's possible to do that without spying on your users, e.g. by storing them encrypted.
- avereveard 4y ago> storing them encrypted. Do you have a source for the claim that message do not have encryption at rest?
- bheadmaster 4y agoRead the article. Discord explicitly confirms in its privacy policy[1] that it collects the following information: IP Address Device UUID User's e-mail address All text messages All images All VOIP data (voice chat) Open rates for e-mail sent by Discord [1] https://discord.com/privacy
- avereveard 4y agoNone of that means that message aren't encrypted at rest.
- bheadmaster 4y agoIt does mean that Discord has the ability to read them, which is what the original reply to your comment was about. The "convenient history of all the messages" does not require a service having access to your messages.
- avereveard 4y agoNo? The reply mentions storing them encrypted. If the reply meant end to end encryption, the reply could have said that.
- bheadmaster 4y agoIt was my reply, I know what I meant. While it could've been written more precisely, I'd expect the HN crowd to practice steelmanning instead of arguing phrasing in order to be right for the sake of being right.
- avereveard 4y ago? It is fair to expect a cursory knowledge of the terminology for the topic in discussion.
- bheadmaster 4y agoA mistake in description does not necessarily reflect lack of knowledge. Are you implying you've never in your life imperfectly described a thing you know about?
- avereveard 4y agoYo, after I (and three other commenter) used the correct term or asked for clarification you didn't go "ah there was a misunderstanding" you doubled down even accusing me of not having read the article. Besides, "tu quoque" is a really weak way to carry an argument. Anyway, ample chances were given to understand your point, but you seem to value having the last word more than having a conversation. So there, reply below and "win" whatever imaginary prize you wish:
- bheadmaster 4y agoYo, yo, yo.
- ghusto 4y agoEncryption at rest isn't the same as end-to-end encryption.
- viceroyalbean 4y agoI assume they are talking about E2E-encryption, since that would prevent them from spying on their users even if they wanted to (assuming the client doesn't leak the key). That said, E2E-encryption doesn't come without drawbacks, for example you would lose all your messages if you lost access to your device and any backup mechanism.
- avereveard 4y agoThat would also lose the feature of being able to browse all the history for Channels just joined. But parent specifically said stored.
- viraptor 4y agoIt's also an anti-feature for business environments. You want to have full control of your chat platform and be able to recover anyone's messages + history.